Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[butchersapron]

The Tories, Labour, and the Lib Dems are all unionist parties; the SNP are the real enemy.

Of who?

 

[danny la rouge]

I would not be surprised to see an informal Unionist stop-the-SNP pact in Scotland, with Labour as the main beneficiary.

Hold on a minute. In a *UK General Election* you think Labour and Tories will have a pact not to stand against each other in Scottish seats?

 

[Quartz]

You think the tories see the SNP as their enemy?

They'd be foolish not to.

 

[Quartz]

Hold on a minute. In a *UK General Election* you think Labour and Tories will have a pact not to stand against each other in Scottish seats?

No, I don't think they'll go as far as that. But the objective will be more to stop the SNP than stop each other, lest they split the anti-SNP vote.

 

[brogdale]

They'd be foolish not to.

Seriously; stand back and think about this for a while. The Indy Ref is over...we're on to the GE now...geddit?

 

[butchersapron]

Hold on a minute. In a *UK General Election* you think Labour and Tories will have a pact not to stand against each other in Scottish seats?

Have you not signed up to his alternative think tank? It's refresherating in its oddness.

 

[butchersapron]

No, I don't think they'll go as far as that. But the objective will be more to stop the SNP than stop each other, lest they split the anti-SNP vote.

So, what will they do to meet the objective? Not the thing that you suggested? Anything else they won't bother doing?

 

[Quartz]

Seriously; stand back and think about this for a while. The Indy Ref is over...we're on to the GE now...geddit?

I do get it, thank you. After winning the referendum, the Unionist parties need to put the SNP firmly down and work on rebuilding the Union. A strongly SNP Scotland will not help.

Anyway, time will tell.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Taking 37 Labour seats won't help the Tories? Eh?

 

[brogdale]

I mean, here's the thing...obviously its only Electoral calculus....but if you input some grim,(though not totally unrealistic) %s for NuLab...

...look what it does. And note, that's with the Nats (all of 'em) on 10!

 

[danny la rouge]

No, I don't think they'll go as far as that. But the objective will be more to stop the SNP than stop each other, lest they split the anti-SNP vote.

So what will this informal pact do in order to stop the SNP?

 

[brogdale]

I do get it, thank you. After winning the referendum, the Unionist parties need to put the SNP firmly down and work on rebuilding the Union. A strongly SNP Scotland will not help.

Anyway, time will tell.

Sorry mate, you're talking out of yer 'southern mouth' there. Aside from Gordon Lamb House, where do you suppose the loudest cheering was when they released those %s?

 

[danny la rouge]

Have you not signed up to his alternative think tank? It's refresherating in its oddness.

If it comes up with words like refresherating, I'm in!

(Wow. It has powers! SwiftKey actually let me type that!l)

 

[andysays]

If it comes up with words like refresherating, I'm in!

(Wow. It has powers! SwiftKey actually let me type that!l)

Butchers has obviously been moonlighting for the ad agency that handles the account for these

They're REFRESHERATING

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

If you were doing anything meaningful in your local community, then you wouldn't have had to ask why he was so clued up, would you? You'd have known, because you would be "clued up" too.

You missed the point, along with your clunky and erroneous supposition. Never mind. What constitutes"meaningful " comkujity action could be pretty subjective and hard to convince people of onlinez though im prepared to assume its true of people on urban without getting into"why im a better activist than you ".

 

[belboid]

Just been to vote* in the PCC by-election that the kippers hope to win. They've had all of 'a couple of dozen' people in all day. The count will probably take fifteen minutes, once all the boxes arrive.





* I say 'voted', my chosen candidate wasn't actually listed on the ballot, but I'm sure they'll run a special tally for the write-ins

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/surprise-you-how-similar-britain-4530710?ICID=FB_mirror_main

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

We shouldn't say UKIP are in any way comparable to nazis. In fact, if you support LGBT equality, it turns out YOU'RE the nazi. It's the new politics. Lets try and understand where they're coming from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/30/david-coburn-ukip-gay-mep_n_6060184.html?1414667980

And on a not dis similar note:

http://games.usvsth3m.com/daily-mail-or-stormfront/

 

[Buckaroo]

We shouldn't say UKIP are in any way comparable to nazis. In fact, if you support LGBT equality, it turns out YOU'RE the nazi. It's the new politics. Lets try and understand where they're coming from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/30/david-coburn-ukip-gay-mep_n_6060184.html?1414667980

And on a not dis similar note:

http://games.usvsth3m.com/daily-mail-or-stormfront/

What are you? What are you on about?

 

[SpackleFrog]

What scares me is rather than stand up to them, the mainstream political parties seem to be copying them (hello, Mr Fallon).

Is the country crowded? Or isn't vast swathes of it owned by the uber rich privileged elistists? Why don't UKIP have a go at them?

What scares me

Why are you scared that the mainstream parties are 'copying' UKIP but not scared that the mainstream parties have presided over a country ruled by "uber rich privileged elistists"?

 

[SpackleFrog]

We shouldn't say UKIP are in any way comparable to nazis. In fact, if you support LGBT equality, it turns out YOU'RE the nazi. It's the new politics. Lets try and understand where they're coming from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/30/david-coburn-ukip-gay-mep_n_6060184.html?1414667980

Yes, we get it, UKIP are fully of nasty bigoted weirdos. What is the point in you constantly repeating this?

 

[krtek a houby]

Why are you scared that the mainstream parties are 'copying' UKIP but not scared that the mainstream parties have presided over a country ruled by "uber rich privileged elistists"?

Because racism, xenephobia and jingoism scare me more than elitism, currently.

 

[andysays]

Because racism, xenephobia and jingoism scare me more than elitism, currently.

What about elitism which is also racist, xenophobic and jingoistic, ie the sort of elitism we actually have ATM (and is there any other kind, TBH?)

 

[belboid]

They've just failed to win the SY PCC

 

[DotCommunist]

on a ludicrous turnout

 

[laptop]

Er, BBC reported at 11:04 that SY counting had started.

Takes an hour to count three votes, then?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Because racism, xenephobia and jingoism scare me more than elitism, currently.

Let's try again - you asked "why don't UKIP have a go at elitism" or words to that effect.

You don't appear to be asking why any of the other parties don't have a go at elitism.

You don't even seem to realize that to a lot of people, UKIP represent an anti-establishment party.

 

[laptop]

Labour's Alan Billings... took just over 50% of the vote in the poll held following the resignation of Shaun Wright amid the Rotherham child abuse scandal.

UKIP's Jack Clarkson finished second with 32% of the vote, the Conservatives were third and the English Democrats fourth.

The turnout was 14.88%, down from 14.93% in 2012.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29850080

 

[laptop]

Alan Billings won with 74,060 votes, 50.02%, with Ukip's Jack Clarkson taking second place on 46,883, 31.66%.
...
Conservative candidate Ian Walker won 18,536 votes (12.52%), while English Democrat David Allen secured 8,583 (5.80%).

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/regional/labour-sees-off-ukip-in-pcc-poll-1-6926638

 

[krtek a houby]

What about elitism which is also racist, xenophobic and jingoistic, ie the sort of elitism we actually have ATM (and is there any other kind, TBH?)

Oh, believe me; I do so hate elitism. Including the kind of sneering, elitism some urbanites excell in on threads like these.

Ask a question, a simple question, from a simple person and there's never a straight answer. Just oneupmanship.

Well, sod UKIP and sod those who are trying to paint them as some kind of anti-establishment party. The voice of the people.

My arse they are.