Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[SpineyNorman]

Another knee-jerk hate-filled response, which merely illustrates that you haven't read properly what you're responding to. If only you were as perceptive as you think you are.

Still looking forward to the turmoil, butchers?

All UKIP are doing is exploiting the understandable anger and fear people have, and turning it into hate.

You're full of the same anger, fear and hate, and although you shout like a big brave man on the internet, you're powerless and irrelevent, and deep down you know it. All this posturing is just compensation...

Populist whipping up of anger fear and hate may lead to turmoil, but there's no way the impotent raging left, which you unfortunately epitomise, will be able to make any headway against it.

Keep wanking along to your election returns - maybe if you ask Nigel nicely he'll give you a job as an adviser or analyst.

Fucking hell

 

[ViolentPanda]

One of the funniest comedians in Britain. Just behind Nigel Farage.

The real king of British comedians is Jerry Sadowitz.

 

[butchersapron]

"Naive or tainted" - but I know better.

Tainted meaning wanting to defend the behaviour despite knowing what really lay behind it. Naive meaning defending it despite not knowing what lay behind it. Pretty simple - see Wells about use of inference.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, Lincolnshire is becoming real UKIP country

TBF Potatoland was UKIP before UKIP existed.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Saurez Doctrine in full effect?

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/lord-taylor-is-guilty.268074/


No need for fancy names IMO, people in glass houses and all that....

 

[hipipol]

All this frothy chopped ranting achieves nothing and squanders what little power any individual has crouched over a keyboard in a darkened room.
Its not just UKIP
There is Europe wide rush to intolerance - best find some sort of message sorted that people, other than another ranter in a bedroom, might be able to understand

 

[butchersapron]

Saurez Doctrine in full effect?

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/lord-taylor-is-guilty.268074/


No need for fancy names IMO, people in glass houses and all that....

I would guess that was why DC was criticised for using one of those terms then.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I haven't accused anyone of racism.

 

[Pickman's model]

All this frothy chopped ranting achieves nothing and squanders what little power any individual has crouched over a keyboard in a darkened room.

i doubt edward snowden ever crouched over a keyboard in a darkened room trying to coil one out.

 

[Pickman's model]

I haven't accused anyone of racism.

good for you. is that ever or only today?

 

[Awesome Wells]

All this frothy chopped ranting achieves nothing and squanders what little power any individual has crouched over a keyboard in a darkened room.
Its not just UKIP
There is Europe wide rush to intolerance - best find some sort of message sorted that people, other than another ranter in a bedroom, might be able to understand

This whole thread turned to shit ages ago. Anyone that dares criticise ukip for what they are is now to be themselves criticised. Now we have a party without policies run and fed by millionaires wanting to 'take our country back'. There is noever andy debate - for instance from whom? The EU? Who are the EU if that doesn't include us? Romanians and Bulgarians? Nasty easterners vs friendly westerners?

This whole thing makes me sick. The amount of coverage this party has received, with very little to challenge their lies about immigration (the only topic discussed), is astounding.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Tainted meaning wanting to defend the behaviour despite knowing what really lay behind it. Naive meaning defending it despite not knowing what lay behind it. Pretty simple - see Wells about use of inference.

As opposed to you, who knows the true meaning.

 

[butchersapron]

This whole thread turned to shit ages ago. Anyone that dares criticise ukip for what they are is now to be themselves criticised. Now we have a party without policies run and fed by millionaires wanting to 'take our country back'. There is noever andy debate - for instance from whom? The EU? Who are the EU if that doesn't include us? Romanians and Bulgarians? Nasty easterners vs friendly westerners?

This whole thing makes me sick. The amount of coverage this party has received, with very little to challenge their lies about immigration (the only topic discussed), is astounding.

There has been constant informed debate from day 1 onwards. Mixed up with you popping in every few posts to say farage is a cunt, anyone who doesn't say farage is a cunt is a cunt, anyone trying to develop a substantive political analysis beyond calling farage a cunt is a cunt and so on.

 

[butchersapron]

As opposed to you, who knows the true meaning.

As opposed to me to who deduced or concluded something from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements - yes.

 

[J Ed]

This whole thing makes me sick. The amount of coverage this party has received, with very little to challenge their lies about immigration (the only topic discussed), is astounding.

If only the Green Party received the same coverage (regardless of whether it was less warranted or not) then all the dumb proles would become Green Party members

 

[butchersapron]

The 40 UKIP target seats:

 

[MrSki]

Why did the Nazis gain support? Same thing different time.

 

[butchersapron]

This whole thing makes me sick. The amount of coverage this party has received, with very little to challenge their lies about immigration (the only topic discussed), is astounding.

Not sure what papers you read but i've seen their immigration statements challenged over and over - in conservative and liberal papers. And i've seen conservative and liberals challenging them on news and current affairs tv and radio programs over and over.

 

[Pickman's model]

The 40 UKIP target seats:

i'm particularly sorry to see great grimsby and cleethorpes on that list

 

[butchersapron]

That's the Forest of Dean on that map at the top of the bristol channel btw

 

[Awesome Wells]

If only the Green Party received the same coverage (regardless of whether it was less warranted or not) then all the dumb proles would become Green Party members

UKIP#s vast coverage accompanies the prevailing 'labour ruined everything' rhetoric as well as the 'tsunami of immigration'. It's not just that they have had insane coverage, it's that very little ofwhat they say challenges these major misconceptions and very little of what they say is challenged by an objective media. UKIP still cling to the same provocative talking points abour immigration they always have, but i have never seen anything challenge this. Instead we get the majority of the papers constantly reinforcing the notion that entire city's worth of immigrants pop up each year. How many of these reports go on to say how much land isn't built upon in this country?

The same can be said for the climate change argument. All we hear is how ukip don't like windmills. They never explain why, or how fracking wells and nuclear reactors would be better, and are never asked.

The only criticism comes from pointing to the inevitable and latest lunatic tweet from Lord Snobbybottom and how he hates gays.

 

[agricola]

The 40 UKIP target seats:

Aside from one or two outliers, are they targetting the areas of initial Saxon settlement?

 

[Roadkill]

i'm particularly sorry to see great grimsby and cleethorpes on that list

Opportune time for them to go for Grimsby, with Austin Mitchell standing down at the next election...

 

[MrSki]

Aside from one or two outliers, are they targetting the areas of initial Saxon settlement?

Was it not Norsemen who settled them before the Saxons?

 

[butchersapron]

Aside from one or two outliers, are they targetting the areas of initial Saxon settlement?

Yes:

OOPs, pic too big, hang on

 

[Pickman's model]

Opportune time for them to go for Grimsby, with Austin Mitchell standing down at the next election...

i hope the people who attacked the cleethorpes donkeys go some way to redeeming themselves by savaging the ukip candidate

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes:

OOPs, pic too big, hang on

the sooner all the ukip candidates are in cemeteries the better.

 

[J Ed]

UKIP#s vast coverage accompanies the prevailing 'labour ruined everything' rhetoric as well as the 'tsunami of immigration'. It's not just that they have had insane coverage, it's that very little ofwhat they say challenges these major misconceptions and very little of what they say is challenged by an objective media. UKIP still cling to the same provocative talking points abour immigration they always have, but i have never seen anything challenge this. Instead we get the majority of the papers constantly reinforcing the notion that entire city's worth of immigrants pop up each year. How many of these reports go on to say how much land isn't built upon in this country?

I just don't recognise most of this in the media over the past few months.

 

[DotCommunist]

oh joy, looks like they'lll be encroaching into my anglia then

 

[butchersapron]

Opportune time for them to go for Grimsby, with Austin Mitchell standing down at the next election...

It's in Goodwin and Fords top ten UKIP targets in their book:

Matthew Goodwin@GoodwinMJ
This is what Austin Mitchell said about our book that flagged his seat (bit.ly/1p0oUgS). Today Ukip averaged 35% in Great Grimsby.