Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[JTG]

Have you heard my stuff about nig-nogs that I don't really mean? It's dead funny like

 

[SpineyNorman]

I don't know, I'm not Stewart Lee. I certainly didn't assume it meant Hillsborough, not for a cold minute. I think you're projecting an awful lot of really nasty shit there. Does the past, in respect of Liverpool, have to mean Hillsborough and nothing else? Have you asked him what he meant by that? Not for one second would I ever assume Stewart Lee is taking the piss out of Hillsborough.

Yeah he can't have done something bad because he's one of the good guys so if he appears to be saying something bad it must really be something good, we just need to work out how.

There is a (thankfully declining) myth that the hillsborough campaign is all about compensation - and it's often couched in terms of profiting from talking about the past in a really whiny voice. It's hardly a giant leap is it? I don't see how the comments make sense otherwise.

 

[killer b]

According to you and this other twat, and I have only your expert opinions to base what Stewart Lee really meant. Why should I assume that you know best?

I didn't say anything about the Hillsborough justice campaign.

 

[_angel_]

yeah!

fucking wanker liberal elite metropolitan CUNT! I fucking hate that stewart lees, he's a fucking tosser. Why can't he stick to proper jokes, like why do asians smell of curry, or why is black people's lips so big? Fucking taking the piss out of people that take a hypocritical attitude toward movement of people across the continent - CUNT! CUNT CUNT!

Maybe just stick with the tradescunts routine?

 

[SpineyNorman]

He did not slander the Hillsborough Justice campaign. You have read this into his act. I did not hear Hillsborough mentioned once in that clip.

You keep grasping those straws, I'm sure your smug middle class liberal hero will be grateful for it.

 

[SpineyNorman]

No, he made a joke; you have inferred that it was about Hillsborough. Whether it's a good joke is another matter.

What did it mean then? The only way the comments make sense (and fit the idea of a 'joke' where he exposes the 'hypocrisy' of someone who's made bigoted comments about one group of people by making bigoted comments about the group of people they belong to) is if he's talking about Hillsborough.

Give us your alternative explantion and I'll consider it.

 

[butchersapron]

No, he made a joke; you have inferred that it was about Hillsborough. Whether it's a good joke is another matter.

The bastard deduced or concluded something from evidence and reasoning? What a cunt!!!

 

[Awesome Wells]

Yeah he can't have done something bad because he's one of the good guys so if he appears to be saying something bad it must really be something good, we just need to work out how.

There is a (thankfully declining) myth that the hillsborough campaign is all about compensation - and it's often couched in terms of profiting from talking about the past in a really whiny voice. It's hardly a giant leap is it? I don't see how the comments make sense otherwise.

Maybe it was just a shitty joke within a laerger skit? Maybe that's all it was - not some dig at the attitude in Liverpool toward what happened.

 

[goldenecitrone]

'if only there was some way they could profit from talking about the past in a really whiny voice'

What the fuck else do you think that means?

The Beatles, Merseybeat and the heyday of Liverpool FC. Obviously. Nothing to do with Hillsborough whatsover.

 

[Awesome Wells]

What did it mean then? The only way the comments make sense (and fit the idea of a 'joke' where he exposes the 'hypocrisy' of someone who's made bigoted comments about one group of people by making bigoted comments about the group of people they belong to) is if he's talking about Hillsborough.

Give us your alternative explantion and I'll consider it.

I'm not the author of the sketch. Why not ask Mr Lee himself, I think he'd be better able to help you though I doubt you'll listen, it's obvious you want to believe the worst about him.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Maybe just stick with the tradescunts routine?

Well, the old ones are the best!

 

[MrSki]

You keep grasping those straws, I'm sure your smug middle class liberal hero will be grateful for it.

I think you will find that people slagged off Liverpool before Hillsborough. You may read into it what you want but I don't think Hillsborough has much to do with his act. Is it not allowed for people to mention Liverpool without Hillsborough?

 

[Awesome Wells]

The bastard deduced or concluded something from evidence and reasoning? What a cunt!!!

is there a reason that you continue to sniff around my every post?

 

[JTG]

Next week: Stewart does tight Scots, thick Brummies and West Country yokels!

 

[butchersapron]

is there a reason that you continue to sniff around my every post?

Can't really avoid your foul tirade and accusations on this thread at the minute. Maybe you could say something about the thread topic or get off the thread?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Have you heard my stuff about nig-nogs that I don't really mean? It's dead funny like

He does a routine that includes his imaginary black partner. Think you may be getting him mixed up with Clarkson though.

 

[emanymton]

Maybe he was talking about the fact the city was built from the profits of slavery? I don't know but I am sure you will tell me.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Oh God, they're all here now.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh God, they're all here now.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Can't really avoid your foul tirade and accusations on this thread at the minute. Maybe you could say something about the thread topic or get off the thread?

All you ever do is follow me around like a shitty shadow. You have had nothing positive or even pleasant to say. You've made no effort to talk to me in anything resembling a human being and yet you have the fucking nerve to sit in judgement, including resorting to 5yo posts in vain attempts to paint me in the nastiest light possible.

And yet, earlier, you posted this:

Don't be so quick to believe smears from those who've just demonstrated their bitter grudge driven agenda.

If that isn't irony I don't know what is. Now fuck off and haunt someone else you fuckwit cunt.

 

[JTG]

Oh God, they're all here now.

You did take a swipe at a sacred cow tbf

 

[Awesome Wells]

Next week: Stewart does tight Scots, thick Brummies and West Country yokels!

You know who I hate? Historians. All they ever do is talk about the past in a whiny voice.

 

[JTG]

You know who I hate? Historians. All they ever do is talk about the past in a whiny voice.

Eh?

 

[butchersapron]

Eh?

I think he's trying to do newman and badiell now.

 

[killer b]

he's just smearing shit all over himself now. embarrassing, but mildly compulsive viewing.

 

[SpineyNorman]

All you ever do is follow me around like a shitty shadow. You have had nothing positive or even pleasant to say. You've made no effort to talk to me in anything resembling a human being and yet you have the fucking nerve to sit in judgement, including resorting to 5yo posts in vain attempts to paint me in the nastiest light possible.

And yet, earlier, you posted this:


If that isn't irony I don't know what is. Now fuck off and haunt someone else you fuckwit cunt.

You've effectively accused others of racism on this thread. You have no right to talk about anyone trying to paint you in the worst possible light.

 

[Awesome Wells]

You've effectively accused others of racism on this thread. You have no right to talk about anyone trying to paint you in the worst possible light.

So, by effectively, you really mean not at all.

 

[butchersapron]

You've effectively accused others of racism on this thread. You have no right to talk about anyone trying to paint you in the worst possible light.

It's rather revealing the way this this personal response to not liking stewart lee or thinking that he was alluding to hillsborough mirrors the political (as they see it anyway) response to UKIP and the surrounding issues. Hyperbole, abuse and cunts!!!!

I think something and that's enough.

 

[andysays]

and in doing so slandered the hillsborough justice campaign and scousers as a group. If a Pakistani businessman was slagging off British working class people would it be OK for me to show up his 'hypocritical attitude' by making racist comments about Pakistanis? Guess it must be.

That routine has absolutely fuck all to do with Hillborough, and the fact that you are so certain it does says far more about you and your anti-liberal-middle-class-metropolitan-sandal-wearing-humus-eating-cunt prejudice than about Stewart Lee or anything else.

It plays on the long standing comic stereotype of scousers as whiney, insular and complaining, which has been around for at least forty years that I can remember and probably longer (ie long before Hillsborough). I got the impression he was using that stereotype to send it up, though maybe not.

And whether it was an effective critique on UKIP is open to question, probably not as you and others seem to be taking the position that when a stuck up too clever for his own good comedian makes a joke about UKIP you don't like, it makes you more sympathetic to them and more likely to support them. This is not a coherent political response, but unfortunately this seems to be a significant source of support for UKIP, the knee jerk populist hate response, including from people like you who, with your professed proper political understanding, should know better.

 

[Brainaddict]

Next week: Stewart does tight Scots, thick Brummies and West Country yokels!

He has done jokes about Scots, and maybe watching them will show where he was coming from with the Liverpool joke:


Now you can think he's a prick for that routine, but it's easier to see what he was trying to do. I think he was trying to do something similar in the Liverpool routine but without enough explanation.