Tory youth activists bully fellow Tory activist till he commits suicide

[8ball]

Ah the "he was a tory bastard who hated people so fuck him"

I'm not such which is more staggering, some people's lack of self awareness, or how much their cup of human kindness doth overflow.

Now we have two opposing sides, neither of which consider the other as fully human.

This always ends well.

 

[ViolentPanda]

lol

"Let's be better than that,eh?" kind of reminds of the canting demands of Swappies to "keep it fluffy, yeah?".
Sure, it's a great sentiment to express, but many people believe, or have learned through experience that giving quarter comes back to bite you on the arse, more often than not. Are the Tories this boy wished to emulate giving quarter to the working classes? They're most certainly not.

 

[ViolentPanda]

He was 21. If we were all condemned for the politics and things we did then they'd be quite a few of us doomed.

Do I care he's dead? Not really.
Is it a bit sad? Yes, bullying that drives someone to suicide is a bit shit, especially for those left behind.

Sure it's sad.
I think your point about politics, though, misses the fact that this wasn't just his belief system, it was something he was actively engaged in, in a way few 21-yr olds (even student revolutionaries) are. It's not as if he just touted membership of The Conservative & Unionist Party at people, he got involved in the promotion of people and policies that will have a direct effect on the class war.

 

[8den]

Now we have two opposing sides, neither of which consider the other as fully human.

This always ends well.

Some people don't love their fellow man, and I hate people like that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Internet Hardman.

There are always one or two.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Are we still allowed to make jokes about Hitler topping himself or is that crass and insensitive too now?

 

[8ball]

Some people don't love their fellow man, and I hate people like that.

I do find myself increasing properly hating them tbf, but I try to think of them as in the grip of a sick ideology.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Some people don't love their fellow man, and I hate people like that.

You can love your enemy if you want. I hate mine.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah but let's not be nasty about him.

I'm glad he's dead. This isn't some ignorant kid who voted Tory. It's a committed Tory activist helping drive through policies that will kill. And one that thinks driving people to destitution because they're overweight is something to joke about.

Fuck him. I hope everyone in the Tory party and associated organisations all drive one another to suicide.

I don't care if this makes me a nasty rotter or whatever. They are the enemy. They want to crush and disempower me and mine. I want them destroyed mercilessly.

I don't start fights, and Lucifer knows that poor people, disabled people etc didn't start this fight. That doesn't mean I won't resist, and it certainly doesn't mean I won't use any tool available that's germane to the struggle. Fluffiness gets us nowhere but under the heel of our increasingly-authoritarian state, and fluffiness toward an active propagand and his ilk in the class war is plain stupidity. I feel regret that some family's 21-yr old son and brother is dead, but I don't feel regret that there's one fewer Tory activist walking amongst the living.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I know the 'better than that' sorts will say 'so' but its worth pointing out that everyone who expressed sympathy, everyone on this thread in fact- so much shit to this lad. You'd be worthy of contempt only.

I feel sympathy for any victim of bullies. I've mentioned previously on Urban that I was a victim of it myself. As a former victim, though, I'm aware that there are strategies to avoid bullying, and this young man appears to have tried none of them, so I don't feel a great deal of sympathy for him in his role as a bullied propagand for the Tory Party. If you lie down with Tories, you're going to catch something nasty.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Imagine being a dead Tory, Cameron will probably stick his cock in your mouth

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yea and he was defending fucking that dead pig's head, just like Laurie Penny, Oxford does funny things to a person

Well, he did attend the same Oxford college as La Pennionara, so perhaps he left some kind of taint in the very fabric of the building...?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

One of the ways kids at school are taught to avoid bullying (incorrectly, as far as I'm concerned), is to remove themselves from the environment that facilitates the bullying, so it's hardly "pig-ignorant".

That might well be advice to give to a living person. But a person backed into suicide as the way out is likely to be a person who didn't see such options. Judging him after the fact for not dealing with it smacks of victim-blaming to me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ah the "he was a tory bastard who hated people so fuck him"

I'm not such which is more staggering, some people's lack of self awareness, or how much their cup of human kindness doth overflow.

Compassion isn't an infinite resource. I direct mine at where it does most good - me and mine, and people in a similar neoliberalism-induced position to me - rather than wasting it on someone who chose to be in the situation he was in.

 

[Wilf]

I just clicked to watch that on youtube and then saw the comments - not usually a good idea, but for once...

"Hitler was a good guy, he killed Hitler"
"Yeah, but he killed the guy who killed Hitler"

 

[ViolentPanda]

That might well be advice to give to a living person. But a person backed into suicide as the way out is likely to be a person who didn't see such options. Judging him after the fact for not dealing with it smacks of victim-blaming to me.

Mandy Rice Davies.

 

[LDC]

Sure it's sad.
I think your point about politics, though, misses the fact that this wasn't just his belief system, it was something he was actively engaged in, in a way few 21-yr olds (even student revolutionaries) are. It's not as if he just touted membership of The Conservative & Unionist Party at people, he got involved in the promotion of people and policies that will have a direct effect on the class war.

Yeah, I kind of agree. TBH I think it's possible to have a mix of views on this (and they might well fluctuate depending on mood and what else is going on) and I think I get both/all positions.

 

[ViolentPanda]

how would his mum feel?

With her long-dead fingers?

 

[SpookyFrank]

And another thing, don't kill yourself on the railway. It's not fair on the staff.

And if you want to jump off a bridge, aim for the water not the road. It's basic manners.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Now we have two opposing sides, neither of which consider the other as fully human.

This always ends well.

Actually, what appals me is that I'm aware that Tories are indeed fully human, and yet they still do what they do.

 

[Wilf]

Yeah, I kind of agree. TBH I think it's possible to have a mix of views on this (and they might well fluctuate depending on mood and what else is going on) and I think I get both/all positions.

Yeah, absolutely. There's part of me that heard the story, thinks about the despair the bullying cunts must have put him through, thinks about his family most of all. Then there's the political bit of me that see's him as equivalent to the terrorist blown up by his own bomb*. Most of all I don't want to get bounced into some ritualistic sympathy for an enemy.

* Not a precise comparison I'll admit, but it captures some of what I feel.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And another thing, don't kill yourself on the railway. It's not fair on the staff.

And if you want to jump off a bridge, aim for the water not the road. It's basic manners.

My mate John had the misfortune to have not one but two suicides who jumped off of a bridge into the path of his train. Fucked his mental health for over a decade before he was able to come to terms with it.

 

[8ball]

Actually, what appals me is that I'm aware that Tories are indeed fully human, and yet they still do what they do.

Always been the way - ideology and group cohesion trumps basic humanity.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Imagine being a dead Tory, Cameron will probably stick his cock in your mouth

While Osborne sniffs charlie out of the crack of your cold dead arse, and Iain Dunked-in Shit's functionaries claim you aren't dead, but are skiving and scamming the state.

 

[SpookyFrank]

My mate John had the misfortune to have not one but two suicides who jumped off of a bridge into the path of his train. Fucked his mental health for over a decade before he was able to come to terms with it.

Very common thing for train drivers to have to deal with sadly. One of the many reasons we should have a more grown-up attitude to death and provide (for a want of a better word) safe ways for people to off themselves if all other avenues have been exhausted. Before that though there should be support for anyone who finds themself in that state of mind, in the form of medical treatment and material support where needed. It does not appear that this young gentleman agreed with me on that point.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Compassion isn't an infinite resource. .

I don't know at all what you mean by that. It costs you nothing in your bank of compassion to feel some towards this man when reading the story. That isn't some bit of compassion that you cannot now spend on others.

 

[Pickman's model]

Imagine being a dead Tory, Cameron will probably stick his cock in your mouth

your mouth, if you're lucky

 

[Wilf]

Again, like others on the thread I find there's a conflict going on between my normal human reactions and my judgements based on the murderous attacks this bloke's party are undertaking (and as Lynne said, it just so happens that I'm not giving much of a shit about him on a particular day). And why do we find our human reactions being overridden? It's the actions of a party - bedroom tax, sanctions, fit for work test - that genuinely doesn't give a flying fuck about bullying, the infliction of misery, driving people to suicide, inflicting the aftermath of suicide on families and friends. He wanted a career in a party that does that to others, but it ended up getting done to him. It is what it is.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't know at all what you mean by that. It costs you nothing in your bank of compassion to feel some towards this man when reading the story. That isn't some bit of compassion that you cannot now spend on others.

There's nothing more exhausting than being compassionate towards people with no compassion, being empathetic towards those with no empathy. I've learned the hard way that you sometimes have to just stop caring about some people or they'll drag you into a black hole with them.

 

[emanymton]

In 1847 Marx changed the slogan of the communist league from 'all men are brother's' to working men of all countries unite' saying 'there where plenty of men whose brother he did not want be'. As in some many things Marx had the right idea.

Threads like this are also useful for reminding us who the liberals are.