Tory youth activists bully fellow Tory activist till he commits suicide

[Pickman's model]

Truly we have been deprived of a magnificent specimen of humanity. The angels themselves are weeping.

as well they might if they have to put up with yer man for all eternity

 

[SpookyFrank]

Quite so.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

He was 21 years old. He might easily have changed.

senin 7 sülalenin götlerini sikerim, biraz utan Davut.

ı doubt you'd be saying that about western Kurdish shills then? You know, seen as they prop up western imperialism and that's worse than the imperialist regimes themselves, never mind that most of them are working-class people disenfranchised by the Turkish state.

And I don't even support the PKK, but don't dishonestly claim the moral high ground here, Dwyer.

 

[Pickman's model]

senin 7 sülalenin götlerini sikerim, biraz utan Davut.

ı doubt you'd be saying that about western Kurdish shills then? You know, seen as they prop up western imperialism and that's worse than the imperialist regimes themselves, never mind that most of them are working-class people disenfranchised by the Turkish state.

And I don't even support the PKK, but don't dishonestly claim the moral high ground here, Dwyer.

when he was 21 dwyer was either at oxford or had just finished at oxford. his gendral outlook doesn't seem to have changed since then as the influrnce of some of his prestigious tutors can still be discerned.

 

[Pickman's model]

disappointed no one has shared that lovely, tuneful auld ballad tory funerals Citizen66

 

[ManchesterBeth]

when he was 21 dwyer was either at oxford or had just finished at oxford. his gendral outlook doesn't seem to have changed since then as the influrnce of some of his prestigious tutors can still be discerned.

Catholic Trotskyism courtesy of Terry Eagleton.

 

[J Ed]

Catholic Trotskyism courtesy of Terry Eagleton.

Yea and he was defending fucking that dead pig's head, just like Laurie Penny, Oxford does funny things to a person

 

[Pickman's model]

Yea and he was defending fucking that dead pig's head, just like Laurie Penny, Oxford does funny things to a person

"by their friends shall ye know them" - dwyer's very clearly chosen his side, the pigfucker cameron, his oxford contemporary.

 

[DotCommunist]

And 21 is not a kid. Plenty working class 21 year old 'kids' have been self-sufficient parents themselves for years.

its interesting that, who gets to be a called akid, high spirits etc and who doesn't. 21 year old working class the only time you'll be called boy is if you come home from iraq in a uniform and bodybag

 

[Wilf]

Suicide is a horrible way to go, it's also one of the worst deaths for family members, with all the 'what ifs'. Then there's a group of people who are unambiguously the enemy, are killing working class people in a project designed to transform the country into something Thatcher could barely dream of. I fucking hate those people, even the ones just starting out. That I'm not that fussed about their death of a tory, effectively killed by another tory, doesn't undermine my basic humanity, my sympathy for suicide victims and families. It's a case where general positions and beliefs are not undermined by specific breaches. And I'd bet that that goes for a lot of people on this thread.

 

[8den]

Ah the "he was a tory bastard who hated people so fuck him"

I'm not such which is more staggering, some people's lack of self awareness, or how much their cup of human kindness doth overflow.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That I'm not that fussed about their death of a tory, effectively killed by another tory, doesn't undermine my basic humanity, my sympathy for suicide victims and families. It's a case where general positions and beliefs are not undermined by specific breaches. .

yeah it does. You don't even know who or what his families are, yet your sympathy for the family is removed because he was a tory.

It's a dehumanisation of the 'other' - no doubt exactly what he did with his vile 'fatties' piece.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sorry, but to me that comes across as pig-ignorant itself.

One of the ways kids at school are taught to avoid bullying (incorrectly, as far as I'm concerned), is to remove themselves from the environment that facilitates the bullying, so it's hardly "pig-ignorant".

 

[Wilf]

yeah it does. You don't even know who or what his families are, yet your sympathy for the family is removed because he was a tory.

It's a dehumanisation of the 'other' - no doubt exactly what he did with his vile 'fatties' piece.

But then I've said I do have sympathy with the family (post 50), which slightly undermines your point.

 

[Pickman's model]

One of the ways kids at school are taught to avoid bullying (incorrectly, as far as I'm concerned), is to remove themselves from the environment that facilitates the bullying, so it's hardly "pig-ignorant".

littlebabyjesus pig-ignorant? well i never

 

[Pickman's model]

yeah it does. You don't even know who or what his families are, yet your sympathy for the family is removed because he was a tory.

It's a dehumanisation of the 'other' - no doubt exactly what he did with his vile 'fatties' piece.

what happened to your ability to comprehend english?

 

[Wilf]

yeah it does. You don't even know who or what his families are, yet your sympathy for the family is removed because he was a tory.

It's a dehumanisation of the 'other' - no doubt exactly what he did with his vile 'fatties' piece.

Oh, and he's not a dehumanised 'other'. My reduced/lack of sympathy is about him specifically and personally and the politics he was engaged in. That doesn't make me less sympathetic to other nameless victims of suicide, particularly those driven to it because of his party.

 

[Citizen66]

disappointed no one has shared that lovely, tuneful auld ballad tory funerals Citizen66

This one?

 

[SpineyNorman]

when he was 21 dwyer was either at oxford or had just finished at oxford. his gendral outlook doesn't seem to have changed since then as the influrnce of some of his prestigious tutors can still be discerned.

Oxford you say? So he fucks dead pigs then?

 

[Pickman's model]

Oxford you say? So he fucks dead pigs then?

only if the pig's lucky enough to be dead

 

[andysays]

littlebabyjesus pig-ignorant? well i never

I'm just wondering about why he has to drag pigs into it.

After all, it's not as if there's anything wrong with being a pig, so why attach "pig" in front of the word "ignorant" as if that somehow makes the ignorance worse. Curiouser and curiouser...

 

[DotCommunist]

they are all dead when he has finished with them

 

[SpineyNorman]

Are we still allowed to make jokes about Hitler topping himself or is that crass and insensitive too now?

 

[Pickman's model]

Seriously?

You may not agree with someone's politics, class, or whatever.

But to dismiss a young person's suicide like that is either borderline psychopathy or nailed on cuntishness.

I reckon you wouldn't say that in front of the dead kid's mother, so I rule out the psychopath option.

is that the standard, then? what you'd say in front of someone you're unlikely ever to meet? what about all the things on eg the pigfucker thread? should we use dc's mum as our sounding board? or the notional mum of mh thatcher?

 

[Pickman's model]

Are we still allowed to make jokes about Hitler topping himself or is that crass and insensitive too now?

how would his mum feel?

 

[SpineyNorman]

how would his mum feel?

Maybe we're allowed but only if all their family and friends (in the case of Tories just family - they don't have friends, just equally cuntish associates in cuntery) are dead.

How do we go about obtaining this information?

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe we're allowed but only if all their family and friends (in the case of Tories just family - they don't have friends, just equally cuntish associates in cuntery) are dead.

How do we go about obtaining this information?

or arranging their demise to spare their feelings

 

[ViolentPanda]

Seriously?

You may not agree with someone's politics, class, or whatever.

But to dismiss a young person's suicide like that is either borderline psychopathy or nailed on cuntishness.

I reckon you wouldn't say that in front of the dead kid's mother, so I rule out the psychopath option.

I wouldn't wish death on someone just starting out on adult life, but I would question that young person's morality if (as this fella did) they gave time and space to the sort of hard-right shit Conservative Future call "politics". If they're even a tenth as malevolent as the members of their predecessor organisation (the Federation of Conservative Students) were (and they are), then he was on track to become another poor-hating, wealth-worshipping ball of racism on the "future councillors and MPs" production line.
So, I can understand asentiment that says "fuck him", even if I don't agree with it.

 

[andysays]

Are we still allowed to make jokes about Hitler topping himself or is that crass and insensitive too now?

Worse than Hitler

 

[ViolentPanda]

Joining the Tories and not expecting to be in the company of bullies is sort of like joining the BNP and being suddenly shocked that you have to deal with racists.

We used to have a poster who claimed to have experienced exactly that.