Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21

[Serene]

Have you tried mindfulness?

I have used mindfulness for years it is very useful, ty, especially when one gets it into ones subconscious. However that is for another thread. This thread isnt about myself.

 

[chilango]

I’m not convinced your ‘alienation and external conditions’ argument does apply here Chilango. The determinist argument never does with these types of events imho

That's a fair criticism.

 

[brogdale]

Still, it's brought people together...

 

[Serge Forward]

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Her telly husband, Stan Ogden, used to drink in the Golden Lion, Pendlebury (not in his string vest mind).

 

[extra dry]

It personally makes me a bit more concerned about safety and security at my workplace, because our local MP holds his surgeries tall here and me and colleagues are the first point of call when constituents visit. He’s as likely a target for right-wing extremists as any Labour MP in a very diverse inner city area.

all of a sudden you will have security guards, searches and have you had a safety drill this year? screens and metal detectors, and maybe armed cops?

There are things you can do starting now, like keep doors locked, always have two people at the front desk reception area, lift or stairwell areas, monitor via camera, have a waiting area separate and observable by staff.

Will you go in just use your size and speed, or carry some sort of weapon? or just run off and hid in the cupboard?

 

[chilango]

That's a fair criticism.

...but Smokeandsteam I'm trying to avoid a crude determinism, though fair enough I can see how my posts can be read that way.

To use a horrible phrase from the Government's "Nudge Unit" it's more about "choice architecture".

 

[planetgeli]

"choice architecture".

Please don't say this.

 

[A380]

That has been most of them - both London Bridge incidents, the Streatham incident and the first Westminster Bridge incident all had the various suspects shot dead by cops. The Lee Rigby murderers were shot (albeit non-fatally) too. The second Westminster attack, Reading, Finsbury Park, Birdsall and Manchester Victoria are IIRC the exceptions in the post-2010 incidents.

Of course in almost all of the ones where shots were fired (the first London Bridge incident is the exception) the first unit to get on scene was armed, which in the circumstances (suspect who is not arsed about dying and cops with loads of justification to shoot) probably makes what followed so much more likely. For at least two of the other ones (Reading and Birdsall) and this one unarmed cops apparently got there first.

Often the subjects will carry a prop to maximise the probability the police will use firearms (often a fake PBIED or suicide vest or in the Rigby case a non functioning firearm* in order that they can be Martyred and get into paradise - which 99.9999% of moslem people know is bollocks).



*Still makes me smile that the fuckers didn't get their wish, for a really banal reason, and are spending the rest of their years in Belmarsh and not with their virgins... That makes me a bad person I know.

 

[xenon]

all of a sudden you will have security guards, searches and have you had a safety drill this year? screens and metal detectors, and maybe armed cops?

There are things you can do starting now, like keep doors locked, always have two people at the front desk reception area, lift or stairwell areas, monitor via camera, have a waiting area separate and observable by staff.

Will you go in just use your size and speed, or carry some sort of weapon? or just run off and hid in the cupboard?

It's a library...

 

[Orang Utan]

all of a sudden you will have security guards, searches and have you had a safety drill this year? screens and metal detectors, and maybe armed cops?

There are things you can do starting now, like keep doors locked, always have two people at the front desk reception area, lift or stairwell areas, monitor via camera, have a waiting area separate and observable by staff.

Will you go in just use your size and speed, or carry some sort of weapon? or just run off and hid in the cupboard?

We have had two security guards at all times since I started the job.
As for the other questions, how daft they are

 

[Pickman's model]

all of a sudden you will have security guards, searches and have you had a safety drill this year? screens and metal detectors, and maybe armed cops?

There are things you can do starting now, like keep doors locked, always have two people at the front desk reception area, lift or stairwell areas, monitor via camera, have a waiting area separate and observable by staff.

Will you go in just use your size and speed, or carry some sort of weapon? or just run off and hid in the cupboard?

when i worked for a local authority there were always security guards in the library. it's not like some new thing.

 

[extra dry]

If a Norwegian MP was murdered, would people be speculating that it might be connected to their decades of service in governments that viciously cut benefits?

they would be labelled something, crazy or far 90 09 whatever - anyway the police have got the guy. I hope he is not a Green.

 

[A380]

But tempting. Tarquin we've messed up again, Go and hack one of our backbenchers to death to distract from it...

End up with a lot of bi elections though

There won't be a proper by election. Labour won't stand. Lib Dem scum might but they are Lib Dem scum so who cares.

 

[A380]

Still, it's brought people together...

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Worst episode of First Dates ever.

 

[extra dry]

when i worked for a local authority there were always security guards in the library. it's not like some new thing.

I thought so, thank you for confirming that fact.

 

[gosub]

There won't be a proper by election. Labour won't stand. Lib Dem scum might but they are Lib Dem scum so who cares.

Glad about that (irl). But it does little to disincentivize Party leaders having back benchers slain

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Does this count as industrial injury? If so, then the death rate is not so very much more than agriculture, forestry and fisheries. The last MP to be murdered was Jo Cox, but before that was as long ago as 1990.

 

[DaveCinzano]

It's all gone a bit pk-era cross-thread beef tribute band round here

 

[extra dry]

We have had two security guards at all times since I started the job.
As for the other questions, how daft they are

Daft, really...well don't even consider it then.

 

[Orang Utan]

Daft, really...well don't even consider it then.

I won’t. How can we predict how we will react to such an unusual situation? And as for weapons, wtf?

 

[TopCat]

Why are we discussing library security? Librarians can be sometimes trying but are hardly likely to get a targeted murder.

 

[Santino]

Please don't say this.

You just need to make it easier for him not to say it.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

The poor, helpless, persecuted MP's.

 

[xenon]

Because an MP uses the library where OU works to meet constituants.

 

[xenon]

Does this count as industrial injury?

No. Murder generally doesn't.

HTH.

 

[xenon]

The fuck is up with people today. The stupid / incomprehensible posts.

 

[extra dry]

I won’t. How can we predict how we will react to such an unusual situation? And as for weapons, wtf?

Help.

What everyone has run off...oh well.


- good luck and stay safe.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

No. Murder generally doesn't.

HTH.

I don’t think they were being entirely serious.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Because an MP uses the library where OU works to meet constituants.

Some libraries are also used as one-stop shops for local council services, including housing benefit etc. So you might go to a library and find out you and your kids are being made homeless or something.

 

[extra dry]

Boris looking like he just got home from holiday, and new security measures going in