Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21

[gosub]

Why are we discussing library security? Librarians can be sometimes trying but are hardly likely to get a targeted murder.

Don't be so quick to dismiss. They always say its the quiet ones you have to watch out for. And where do they hang out?

 

[BigMoaner]

To a degree, the same would - and did - apply to a Labour MP, but to a lesser degree.

But, it's not about what "inside" the murderer's mind, it's about what's "outsIde" that I'm interested in.

Anyone who would prefer to live in a world where we don't have politicians being stabbed to death at work might, in my opinion at least, want to be interested in this too.

But not whats outside amess?

This is so broad as to be meaningless though.

Societal conditions are thus.
A murder happens.
ergo societal conditions created the murder...

new thing about the motivation of the murderer merges.
That's social conditions too.

pfft.

Exactly. just blame the social conditions that created the murderer on more social conditions. Elephants all the way down. The missing piece is he woke up that morning and decided to knife someone to death.

 

[platinumsage]

Some libraries are also used as one-stop shops for local council services, including housing benefit etc. So you might go to a library and find out you and your kids are being made homeless or something.

Because as we all know, newly homeless people are far more likely to go on killing sprees than typical library users.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Does this count as industrial injury? If so, then the death rate is not so very much more than agriculture, forestry and fisheries. The last MP to be murdered was Jo Cox, but before that was as long ago as 1990.

Which is to play down what I imagine is the feeling of threat and actual abuse many or most politicians have to live with. That's the ones people on here do like, as well as the ones they don't.

 

[CNT36]

Why are we discussing library security? Librarians can be sometimes trying but are hardly likely to get a targeted murder.

Not while they post under pseudonyms at least.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Which is to play down what I imagine is the feeling of threat and actual abuse many or most politicians have to live with. That's the ones people on here do like, as well as the ones they don't.

Fair point, but levels of abuse etc aimed at ordinary people doing ordinary jobs with very ordinary levels of remuneration can be quite considerable as well. Some politicians deserve all the abuse they get. Fred Bloggs, or Freda Bloggs, working the late shift at the local Spa shop, don't deserve it.

 

[chilango]

The missing piece is he woke up that morning and decided to knife someone to death.

That's really not the "missing piece". Are you seriously suggesting the perp went to bed the previous night a contented member of society at peace with themselves and others and then * boom! * "woke up that morning and decided to knife someone to death"?

Seriously?

Nothing more to it?

Just the sudden appearance of evil?

Out of nowhere?

 

[BigMoaner]

That's really not the "missing piece". Are you seriously suggesting the perp went to bed the previous night a contented member of society at peace with themselves and others and then * boom! * "woke up that morning and decided to knife someone to death"?

Seriously?

Nothing more to it?

Just the sudden appearance of evil?

Out of nowhere?

No, not saying that at all. The fact is he wasn’t created in a vacum.

Another fact is that he chose to knife someone to death, maybe that morning, maybe years ago.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[BigMoaner]

I take it Tory MPs don’t choose to do evil all of a sudden too? How far do we take the deterministic drivel?

 

[BigMoaner]

Hold the tories to account fully to their core (rightly so), but not those who knife them to death lol

 

[A380]

Glad about that (irl). But it does little to disincentivize Party leaders having back benchers slain

They could fine them a day's pay for each of their MPs mown down?

 

[A380]

No. Murder generally doesn't.

HTH.

Actually it and other homicides do in many circumstances.

 

[Elpenor]

Is he still dead?

I ask only because if I understand the tweets of Desmond Swayne and Rees-Mogg correctly, Amess will rise tomorrow.

 

[A380]

Is he still dead?

I ask only because if I understand the tweets of Desmond Swayne and Rees-Mogg correctly, Amess will rise tomorrow.

Surely the day after tomorrow?

 

[Pickman's model]

I take it Tory MPs don’t choose to do evil all of a sudden too? How far do we take the deterministic drivel?

Of course they choose evil, they chose it when they joined that nefandous party

 

[keybored]

Apparently not.

Had to find it.


(Matt Frei, around 01:10:30 Matt Frei on LBC UK - Catch Up | Global Player )

 

[BigMoaner]

Of course they choose evil, they chose it when they joined that nefandous party

Ah so an element of choice, then. Thought so!

 

[Pickman's model]

That's really not the "missing piece". Are you seriously suggesting the perp went to bed the previous night a contented member of society at peace with themselves and others and then * boom! * "woke up that morning and decided to knife someone to death"?

Seriously?

Nothing more to it?

Just the sudden appearance of evil?

Out of nowhere?

Knifing someone is not necessarily evil
Sure we can all think of a time, at least one occasion, it was not just good but praiseworthy

 

[A380]

Had to find it.


(Matt Frei, around 01:10:30 Matt Frei on LBC UK - Catch Up | Global Player )

I laughed. If there were a hell I'd be going for sure because of that.

 

[A380]

Knifing someone is not necessarily evil
Sure we can all think of a time it was not just good but praiseworthy

I think Cicero put it slightly more eloquently than that...

 

[kenny g]

I imagine the right wing US commentators are excitedly blathering about how mass gun ownership would have prevented this or some such nonsense. I haven’t the heart to read too much social media this morning - got into a disagreement with an American yesterday over the meaning of the word ‘surgery’ and that was enough for me

If I were an MP I would appreciate having some kind of armed response available to hand. Even if it were a case of issuing them with Glock full automatics.

 

[Elpenor]

Surely the day after tomorrow?

Hmm maybe, i thought it was the Sunday

 

[Pickman's model]

Cicero put it slightly more eloquently than that...

I was thinking of the Spanish civil war and ww2, the stabbing of fascists. But I'm open to other examples too

 

[Pickman's model]

Hmm maybe, i thought it was the Sunday

The third day after Friday traditionally monday

 

[Pickman's model]

If I were an MP I would appreciate having some kind of armed response available to hand. Even if it were a case of issuing them with Glock full automatics.

Not sure I'd want to surround myself with misogynist racist pigs but each to their own

 

[Elpenor]

The third day after Friday traditionally monday

Or did they count Friday as day 1?

 

[chilango]

Hold the tories to account fully to their core (rightly so), but not those who knife them to death lol

Did you miss my post where I explicitly stated that the murderer had agency too?

 

[Pickman's model]

Or did they count Friday as day 1?

It was day zero even tho they had no concept of zero at the time

 

[A380]

Not sure I'd want to surround myself with misogynist racist pigs but each to their own

Oh come on. That's not true or all, or even most, librarians .

 

[A380]

If I were an MP I would appreciate having some kind of armed response available to hand. Even if it were a case of issuing them with Glock full automatics.

Full auto Glock not going to be a lot of use in most situations...