Tory leadership contest 2024

[cupid_stunt]

If the Tories have any (political) sense the 1922 Committee will deliver the leadership to him on a silver platter.

I think you mean 'no sense'.

Farage is a bit like marmite, but a hell of a lot more hate him, compared to the few that love him.

 

[Silas Loom]

If the Tories have any (political) sense the 1922 Committee will deliver the leadership to him on a silver platter.

If they went that route, they’d need to first rally round a leader who was explicitly promising a merger with Reform, and who was only fighting for the leadership position so that they could then hand over gracefully to the Frog Lord.

That person would need to have 40 MPs supporting them to be sure of coming second. I don’t think there are that many Faragists left on the Tory benches.

 

[imposs1904]

I think you mean 'no sense'.

Farage is a bit like marmite, but a hell of a lot more hate him, compared to the few that love him.

By him and his ilk standing down in 2019 he heavily contributed to a massive Tory majority.

By him and his ilk standing up in 2024 he heavily contributed to a massive(r) - it's not a word but it should be - Labour majority.

That fucker could be a future Prime Minister if he really wants it.

 

[hash tag]

I watched her speech when it went live. She seemed incredibly happy for someone whose Party had just received the mother of all kickings.

Seeing an opportunity

 

[Kid_Eternity]

The membership will elect a headbanger. I don't know who the remaining MPs are. Johnson kicked out a lot of one nation tories so it's largely headbangers left.

If refuk do a quick deal with the tories, I think the tory membership would go for Farage in a heartbeat. A quick deal is unlikely though

Depends on whether they get to vote. Entirely possible the 1992 Committee could just change the rules to allow MPs only to vote.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Fucking Braverman and Badenoch both kept their seats. This worries me.

Why?

 

[Karl Masks]

Why?

Because they are monsters

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Hmmmm..?

 

[Silas Loom]

Depends on whether they get to vote. Entirely possible the 1992 Committee could just change the rules to allow MPs only to vote.

No. Surely not. That’s a matter the leader would need to get approved by the membership, isn’t it?

I read somewhere that one suggestion is to allow the members to create a shortlist on which MPs could vote.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I watched her speech when it went live. She seemed incredibly happy for someone whose Party had just received the mother of all kickings.

Ah, the Phillips style of delivery?

 

[moochedit]

No. Surely not. That’s a matter the leader would need to get approved by the membership, isn’t it?

Found this. Should be in there somewhere.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative%2520Party%2520Constitution%2520%2520as%2520amended%2520January%25202021.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiijv34s5CHAxUZWUEAHVGCDmgQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw08QJHUuES87kd-RwJSBFl_

 

[PR1Berske]

I suspect the rules will be tweaked to remove the members right to a say.

 

[andysays]

Found this. Should be in there somewhere.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative%2520Party%2520Constitution%2520%2520as%2520amended%2520January%25202021.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiijv34s5CHAxUZWUEAHVGCDmgQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw08QJHUuES87kd-RwJSBFl_

PART III LEADERSHIP

10 There shall be a Leader of the Party (referred to in this Constitution as “the Leader”) drawn from those elected to the House of Commons, who shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members in accordance with the provisions of Schedule 2.

According to this, the leader has to be elected by the members

 

[Silas Loom]

I suspect the rules will be tweaked to remove the members right to a say.

That change to the constitution would itself require a ballot of all members under Schedule 9 of the document moochedit posted. There is a lot of leeway for the 1922 to decide on what basis a choice is provided to the members, but the constitution makes it clear that the members have to chose.

Bluntly, the members would have to be given something in return. Otherwise why should they agree?

Schedule 9 is brief, and it’s right at the end - I can’t copy from the pdf but maybe someone with a whizzier browser can.

 

[moochedit]

According to this, the leader has to be elected by the members

Cheers.there should also be a bit somewhere on how to amend the constitution (if they wanted to). Can't be arsed to search it right now. Edit - silas has done it

 

[andysays]

Cheers.there should also be a bit somewhere on how to amend the constitution (if they wanted to). Can't be arsed to search it right now. Edit - silas has done it

The 1922 Committee can, and frequently has, changed the rules around which candidates the membership gets to choose between, but they can't cut them out completely.

 

[bemused]

Apparently, according to the press, Badenoch is a favourite. It's hard to judge on her past media appearances where the Tories were playing the silly culture wars so I'm not sure what her real views are. She seems smart but also, for me, gets rather annoyed when interviewed. The Tories have a thin bench.

 

[andysays]

This is it

SCHEDULE 2 RULES FOR THE ELECTION OF THE LEADER

1 The Leader shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members.

2 A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.Election of Leader

3 Upon the initiation of an election for the Leader, it shall be the duty of the 1922 Committee to present to the Party, as soon as reasonably practicable, a choice of candidates for election as Leader. The rules for deciding the procedure by which the 1922 Committee selects candidates for submission for election shall be determined by the Executive Committee of the 1922 Committee after consultation of the Board.

 

[moochedit]

Hopefully they have a messy contest and pick someone that damages them even more

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Not really sure where the Tories can go. Not really much difference between them and Labour on the "left" or Reform on the far, fascist right.

I could celebrate the end of the Tories if it meant their votes didn't just go to Reform instead.

 

[Cloo]

I'm kind of hoping they'll go for one of the most awful shits first off, because that increases the likelihood they'll bicker their way out of leadership and they'll get someone more boring and centrist when it's election time again. I think if they start with someone like Hunt who is, sighs , marginally less dreadful, we'll have the absolute worst of them, fully backed by the Mail, Telegraph etc next election.

 

[ouirdeaux]

Tugendhat. As the least toxic name.

Not putting money on it, as 9/2 is skinny enough, the Tories are rather toxic, and I only bet on horse racing.

 

[agricola]

Cleverly

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Page 2 and no-one has said Keir Starmer.

 

[Lotte]

Why?

It means they're leadership candidates. One of them introduced the Rwanda policy, the other has a rabid hatred of trans people and they're both on the wingnut end of the party.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It means they're leadership candidates. One of them introduced the Rwanda policy, the other has a rabid hatred of trans people and they're both on the wingnut end of the party.

It’s great if they are, they’re so close they’ll have to tear chunks out of each other. And if they win they move further right and even further from power.

 

[Bingoman]

Hmmmm..?

Really is that the best they can come up,with... oh hang on

 

[brogdale]

Mrs B saw this on college green this morning...

 

[Serge Forward]

Jenrick

 

[Ax^]

someone white to appeal the reform voters