personally I like him. ( sorry to all that offends ) I can just imagine them making a case that he just isnt likeable and there are obstacles that just won go away ~( not elected as the main one) that to take this momentum they are possibly gathering, get Milliband in and really fight the Tories.
Tory lead cut to 6% in poll ..
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butchersapron
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Did you not bother reading the replies above?
you seem to think it works in the same way as a football team sacking the manager and getting a new one in to stave off relegation. It doesn't.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's not going to happen pboi.
the premise of the entire thread is that they stand a very good chance of not getting in anyway
In this scenario, suspect Cameron may try for minority govt if he can - try make it work to his advantage a la Salmond and then go to the polls on his own terms after maybe 18 months.
This would be a gamble and depends on his backbenches being disciplined though, that's a a lot to expect from the fruitier element in his party. Might work if Labour don't hold their nerve and engage in civil war.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Well, to be honest, you've offered no reason as to why miliband would do better than Brown. I don't think he would - i think he'd do significantly worse - too young, too smarmy, too unknown, too nothing - and plonked unelected before people two months before a GE...
Blair mk2? Fucking hell - blair was despised not loved - they say it's a thin line, but it's not.
The 'coup' was staged by Mandelson, to head off a 'coup'....Little chance of any other taking place, Brown wants to go down with the boat, with a 'captains hat on his head.....
But there will be chances of 'explosions' in the bilge, with consequent holes appearing, the water pumps will be unfortunately out of action, sabotage.
There can be 'vertical' splits in parties, from the branches to reflections in the Parliamentary group, a little more unusual is a 'horizontal split' where the base separates from the deck.
A gallows and noose election is staring them in the face, partly because the corporate companies cannot make up their minds which is the worst option of the 'three', plus the electorate would like to kick the lot of them.
But as the electorate cannot get to kick them all, they will most probably just kick one of them to death.
The breaking of a mould.
The 'two party' system, which from the founding of the original labour party, was a three party system, is falling apart.
1800's, Conservative and Liberal, then 1900's, Labour and a diminished liberal, melding into conservative and Labour, followed by a resurgent Liberal democrat, with next to nothing Liberal about it except 'free trade capitalism'.
Is it the father, the son or the holy ghost ?
Which is it to be ?
How about tossing a coin ?
at least the electorate know Brown. Given a choice between Milliband and Cameron, Cameron would be better known and that would be that.
No chance of any Tories getting in, so be extremely happy, the Tory party ended in the 1830's, they are all ''mouldering in the graves''......
shatner calls the 'enterprise' a SHIP, not a boat, did it lose in translation from american to u.k. english ?
Try studying what's going on amongst the electorate, not what you read in the media. It may help.
The electorate isn't reading the script anymore.
Politics is in many ways indoctrination plus psychology, mass coverage, its how ''the Shepherd gets the sheep to go'' where he wants them to.
But people are waking up to the realisation that they are not sheep after all. They do that when it hits their pockets.
How do capitalist parties get the working class to vote for them ?
Especially when their interests are mutually opposed.
What is being discussed on this thread, except which capitalist party to vote for ?
With a collapse of the 'British New Labour Party', the psychological hold breaks, which is what's holding things up, if they put into government any other party, they have a big problem.
But to put the B.N.L.P. in again will upset the capitalist class internationally.
Another question that's not been covered, 'how much vote fiddling' will there be ?
Talking about the Scottish election, where ballot papers were unintelligible, local, regional, national all on the same day and a hundred thousand votes or more were scrapped.
If the election is in May, then it will most likely take place along with the local elections, a splendid time for fiddling.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This thread fucking up shit is why you were banned before.
I suppose that makes you the good shepherd, leading the poor dumb sheep towards enlightenment?
dense, patronising and inaccurate bollocks from what I can make out
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I presume sabatical is whathisname, the dissaffected anarchisty person.
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
Well, we can check your analysis against mine after the election, fair enough ?
''Inaccurate'', unfortunately not able to specify what....
Patronising, to whom ?
Dense, stop looking in the mirror.
Try to be polite to people.....
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Considering that many here are openly showing 'conservative' [conservative in habit.] leanings already, it should be interesting.
It was said of Lenin, that he was the greatest mass psychologist of his time, he did well, the second largest empire on the earth, all went in the dustbin of history.
Do political parties spend so much money on polls, on questionaires, on reports from members, on publicity, on propaganda etc for nothing ?
I asked in one post, which members on the threads would be most likely to vote for new labour, it seems we are now getting some answers.
Are you totally incapable of answering any point anyone raises ?
Why not deal with the politics ?
Can you not get beyond ad hominem attacks ? and incorrect slurs....
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Answered all points put to me. I'm not 'incorrect' either as you know very well.
Why?
I agree with you about the hold breaking. Promising.
Pretty much the same reason they put Obama in, they need to get beyond the trap they are stuck in, another twenty years PLUS of ''tewwowism'', how's that for a lark ?
Bush was asked over a month prior to the election, who he thought would win, he said Obama, Bush had been given his marching orders, but so has Brown.
Brown's already said he wants to stay on as party leader, even in opposition.
Obama had a chance of a 'political solution' in Afghanistan, but didn't, couldn't, wouldn't etc operate it.
So now its business as usual, the war goes on, they hope the new push thats about to begin will change the situation, some hope, pigs will fly.
The conservative have proposed an all party war commitee, and the others have not refused, so capitalism will not be happy, its not a solution.
They are fully aware that a political solution could end it, but they are lost in space, they don't know who pulls the strings on the other side. Its not like the Vietnam war, where there were two combatant enemies, this one is like chasing the mist.
It's a slow bleeding to death, Greece now, billions to bail it out, who's next ?
Nigeria has been pulled in, panty bomber. Does international capitalism procure a new civil war, to separate the delta and the oil from the majority of the country, the Nigerians are at present discussing it.
Internationally the masses are turning on their own governments, so they will have to do something to try to settle people down.
International capitalism cannot really have them in again, but at the same time they don't want the population here to break with the illusion of the B.N.L.P. as a ''labour party'', trapped for now.
And the B.N.L.P. is openly an imperialist party.
And, I think, the mould will be broken.
Haven't people noticed as yet, how nationalistic the discussion is on forums like this ?
Yet politics is now very much led by international economics, as with Greece, many more can be added.
The ''recession'' is over, that we read in the newspapers recently 0.1%, so where did Greece fit in the picture, its there now. Unemployment is still rising, houses prices are said to have risen, but thats only people putting up the price to offset the drop in value of the currency. Money is devaluing.
Incorrect butcher boy, that aside, here's two points for you ---
''Another question that's not been covered, 'how much vote fiddling' will there be ?
Talking about the Scottish election, where ballot papers were unintelligible, local, regional, national all on the same day and a hundred thousand votes or more were scrapped.
If the election is in May, then it will most likely take place along with the local elections, a splendid time for fiddling.''
So do you have any views on the points ?
Fiddling and general / local elections on the same day ?
I'll take it as read that you remember the Scottish elections.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nope 100% correct - answered all points, didn't even bother reading yours as a result of knowing who you are. Back to your Mosley books and stop fucking up decent threads.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
It’s looking clearer that those disaffected and drifted Labour voters do want to believe in Labour, they just need some strong action, not just words, on the big issue now for them – immigration. The worst of the economic failure is behind, the mood is slightly turning - albeit with tax rises still to come, Brown himself looks almost sane. For those lost voters it’s immigration, immigration, immi . . .
If Labour fire some very big policy changes in relation to that issue, I think it’ll close the gap to nothing, perhaps even better. Do you leave it late though and expect the initial surge to get you over the line, or do you pace yourself. For my money they could copy John Major’s last minute surge (based then tax cuts).
Those people are very definitely salvageable though.
If Labour fire some very big policy changes in relation to that issue, I think it’ll close the gap to nothing, perhaps even better. Do you leave it late though and expect the initial surge to get you over the line, or do you pace yourself. For my money they could copy John Major’s last minute surge (based then tax cuts).
Those people are very definitely salvageable though.
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