belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
no its not. Not for actual people. The worst will come over the next two years.
not for most of them it isn't. Most aren't voting BNP, they're not voting at all.
Tory lead cut to 6% in poll ..
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I'm on this thread to talk about the polls, how we can use them to predict what will happen in May (or whenever) etc etc. I don't even understand sabatical's points most of the time and when I do they seem to be unrelated to the thread topic.
It's not like I'm likely to vote anyway so I want to discuss this from the point of view of largely academic interest. sabatical seems to be implying I'm a new Labour supporter
I'm on this thread to talk about the polls, how we can use them to predict what will happen in May (or whenever) etc etc. I don't even understand sabatical's points most of the time and when I do they seem to be unrelated to the thread topic.
sabatical seems to be implying I'm a new Labour supporter
No I'm not implying your supporting new labour, but others are, false lefties.
Polls are fiddled, to sway people to whatever the capitalist class wants them to vote for.
''Tory lead cut to 6% in poll'' thread title, so its actually open, its not just A POLL, but the election itself.
That poll has gone now, so people will now talk about new polls. If it was just on that poll, then there wouldn't be a lot more to say.
Not correct.
So avoidance, not going to commit yourself on two answers.
As for Mosley, I've got lots of other books as well, very wide range, hadn't you noticed ?
You seem to be one of those who like to maintain ignorance of the British fascist movement and its programme, even though quiet an amount of its been implemented.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So you won't be voting for Chuck Yermama or whatver the Labour robot's name is?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
On what basis would Milliband fight the tories? It's hardly as if their policies differ at the practical level. Only the rhetoric varies. They're both firmly welded to neo-liberalism.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If it seems that way to you, that may be a mark of your own ignorance as much as anything else.
Still, I suppose that as you have "lots" of books, that couldn't possibly be the case, could it?
1 I think your right about that the worse for most people is still to come.
2 The thing is immigration is a massive issue for Labours core support. And the vast majority of them would never vote BNP. But they feel betrayed by what politicians have done in relation to immigration,jobs and housing.
And that is especially true among most of Labours Black and Asian support.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yes, that would be the constitionally mandated 2 terms only rule.
Bush in symbolic terms, the Republicans were told to go, which is why McCain picked the 'robot' to be his V.P. candidate.
Bush had only two terms, but the Republicans were still allowed to stand another candidate.
Clear now ?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Not really. The repugs were fucked with a complete lack of talent and a split down the middle of the party that's still there.
I'd say the results of the mid-terms, and the fact that Teddy's old seat went to a Repug, will be more of an indicator on how far the repugs have been 'told to go'.
I'd say the results of the mid-terms, and the fact that Teddy's old seat went to a Repug, will be more of an indicator on how far the repugs have been 'told to go'.
The Crisis is Not Over. The Second wave.
http://http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/020410Roberts.shtml
Bank governor Mervyn King: Strength of recovery highly uncertain.
http://http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/finance/bank-governor-mervyn-king-strength-of-recovery-highly-uncertain-$1359307.htm
It's not immigration as such, but jobs.
If New Labour supporters didn't change and vote B.N.P., then where have so many of the B.N.P. votes come from ?
The British New Labour party [B.N.L.P.] has been riddled with right wing nationalism since 2001, all prepared earlier, the old labour party is dead, r.i.p.
The B.N.P. has two Euro M.P.'s, where do people think they got the votes from ?
Prior to the election, all three major parties suddenly agreed that the B.N.P. could win seats, and they did.
The B.N.L.P.'s quota of 'black and asia' voters is very small at the present time, large numbers have already broken with the 'party', the shindig's over, there's a good chance that soon the 'wake' will begin.
Daily Mail's doing its bit for posterity.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249797/Labour-threw-open-doors-mass-migration-secret-plot-make-multicultural-UK.html
Strange logic, the Republicans still had all their 'talent', only 'beloved George' was going, end of his two terms, the 'talent' they had for the previous 8 years was eligible to re-stand.
Cheney could have stood or Condi Rice even, McCain was the joke candidate.
'Teddy's seat was a reaction by DEMOCRATS.
As for the Republicans, well we can hope the 'tea party' will adopt Palin as their candiadte at the next election, and split the Republican party in two.
The serious politicians of the Republicans will not want her, it's all populism and she's still got no brain.
It is Immigration thats the issue not just jobs. Its about all the effects that large scale immigration has had on the people competing for jobs and housing as opposed to the liberal middle classes who generally just don't understand the issue at all.
Of course some BNP voters are x Labour but most Labour voters who feel pissed off by NLs policies on migration are not going to vote BNP. Most of them will vote Labour anyway and many of them will vote Lib Dem,stay at home or a few green etc.
I think BNP get a lot of their votes from people who have voted Tory in the past or not voted.
You say the BNLP ( meaning new labour) quota of asian and black voters is small. Thats not true is it? but yeah of course its going to go down. A lot of Black and Asian people are really pissed off with what they see as the UKs open door policy on immigration.
Really pissed off because its likely to have a much more negative effect on them, than it is some better off white person.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What are about 85%+ of BNP council seats in labour wards?
Yeah but that doesnt prove where the votes have come from, does it?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yeah, it does.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
with a capital I no less!
With or without one, it's still bollocks. For most labour voters, it's about their jobs and their services.
And many of them who would never vote BNP see both those issues as related to migration. And they are of course right about that.
Looks`like a bit of a cheap slur at the end there trying to say i am a fellow traveller of the BNP????? Thing is that most people and most Labour voters are really concerned about immigration....To pretend they are all racists because they dont accept free market views on migration is just a bit silly.
The issue of resources is central to migration and why accepting free market policies on migration has been such a mistake for people who claim to be against the free market.
Most people come at the issue not from a deeply prejudiced or racist view. Most Black and Asian people in the UK are as much against large scale migration as White people.
And you may claim to be an Internationalist. But look at the International consequences of migration. Look at how economic migration makes the world a far more unequal place.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Simply pointing out that it is just you and them who are seeking to explicitly racialise questions that most working class people don't racialise themselves. it's a fact baldie, and if you dont lik eit....
I have no interest in helping you regurgiatate your ill-thought out ramblings on migration yet again (as you always ignore everyone else on those threads, there really is no point), all i am doing is pointing out that your claim that immigration is the most important issue to working class people is simply untrue. It might be your fixation, but you are not the working class.
I have no interest in helping you regurgiatate your ill-thought out ramblings on migration yet again (as you always ignore everyone else on those threads, there really is no point), all i am doing is pointing out that your claim that immigration is the most important issue to working class people is simply untrue. It might be your fixation, but you are not the working class.
ExtraRefined
Better than you at everything you love
An update on the numbers. The latest polls give a Tory lead of 11%
http://politicalbetting.com/index.p...inds-a-bigger-swing-in-the-lab-con-marginals/
http://politicalbetting.com/index.p...-make-brown-cautious-about-an-early-election/
What this actually means is of course still an open question.
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2010/02/15/andy-cookes-seat-model-refined/
http://politicalbetting.com/index.p...d-this-official-projection-make-you-a-packet/
Uniform swing would give the tories a tiny majority at that lead, but a more detailed analysis suggests that it could in fact be a landslide.
As for the markets the numbers are as follows (from betfair)
Tory overall majority 67%
Hung, Tory plurality 21%
Hung, Labour plurality 7%
Labour overall majority 5%
http://politicalbetting.com/index.p...inds-a-bigger-swing-in-the-lab-con-marginals/
http://politicalbetting.com/index.p...-make-brown-cautious-about-an-early-election/
What this actually means is of course still an open question.
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2010/02/15/andy-cookes-seat-model-refined/
http://politicalbetting.com/index.p...d-this-official-projection-make-you-a-packet/
Uniform swing would give the tories a tiny majority at that lead, but a more detailed analysis suggests that it could in fact be a landslide.
As for the markets the numbers are as follows (from betfair)
Tory overall majority 67%
Hung, Tory plurality 21%
Hung, Labour plurality 7%
Labour overall majority 5%
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, there's a piece on it on the same site from yesterday or the day before.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think we are yes, and the lib-dems are going to get squeezed to fuck as well.
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