planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yay! Another kid for me! (Assuming he doesn't get done for attempted murder or something).
Dyffryn Aman, also known as Amman Valley.
2000 kids ffs.
Three injured in school stabbing in Wales (24/4/24)
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Yay! Another kid for me! (Assuming he doesn't get done for attempted murder or something).
Dyffryn Aman, also known as Amman Valley.
2000 kids ffs.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Appears to be staff who have been stabbed.
PTK
Paul Kegan
???
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
PTK
Paul Kegan
Oh, I see. Thanks.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Says two staff, three injured in total. Quite possible the attacker was the other injured party? Although I don’t think they’ve even confirmed it was a stabbing yet.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
The school has.
It's also allegedly on social media, to absolutely no-one's surprise.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Girl arrested
The force says three people – two teachers and a teenage pupil – have been taken to hospital with stab wounds.
Teenage girl arrested on suspicion of attempted murder
Dyfed-Powys Police says a teenage girl has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and remains in custody.The force says three people – two teachers and a teenage pupil – have been taken to hospital with stab wounds.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Apparently this happened at 11.15. I was in Ammanford at 11.15 and driving 300m from the school at 11.30. Did not see or hear a single siren or anything. That is very strange.
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hiraethified
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I'm idly wondering how long the poor people lay injured without professional help. Cops said they got the call just after 11.20 and responded immediately. But the point is, there's no hospital to send ambulances for 25 minutes normal drive (so still 15 with bluelights?). And, laughingly, there's no police station in Ammanford because they spent millions building a new one which was abandoned as unsuitable within just a couple of years. So no police anywhere near either.
There's a St.Johns in Ammanford, maybe they answered quickly. Aren't they volunteers though?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yes perhaps, those helicopters are quick, but again, maybe I'm overplaying this but you like to think of people getting immediate medical attention when they are stabbed. And that's not how rural life works. I definitely went past that school at 11.30 and there was no sign of nothing. Hopefully it was right after that. They would have come from the south, and I was driving north.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Police ARVs are trained to the same level of Basic Life Support as first responders with extra trauma training (still just a week though) and carry a large number of special dressings for stab and slash wounds plus enough tourniquets for an octopus fight.. Unlikely the ambulance service would have sent their own community volunteers or St Johns as they are not (supposed to be) sent to trauma or violence. Ambulances wouldn't come from the hospital, they are normally held in different standby locations based on modelling software, if there are any spare crews. But for a job like this all paid ambulance staff not actually with a patient would tip out. If your local fire service is one of the ones doing emergency medical work they might rock up too, along with unarmed police who should have tourniquets and stab dressings, but not as many as the ARVs,
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Fucking awful story, hope everyone comes through this OK.
You try not to think about this, working in a school. Mostly what I think about is someone from outside getting in with a view to harming the kids. Mercifully it's still rare in this country.
You try not to think about this, working in a school. Mostly what I think about is someone from outside getting in with a view to harming the kids. Mercifully it's still rare in this country.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
I'm probably going to get pelters for this but whilst this is tragic and I do hope those injured make full recoveries, the girl who did this....I hope that whatever happens moving forward that she gets the help she so clearly needs. To do as she did is (clearly) the sign of someone deeply troubled.
Fucked up all round really.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Education factories. How any kind of reasonable, decent pastoral care can be delivered in such a setting, I just don't know.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I was working in a primary school where a 9 year old produced a knife. I was there to work with that kid, but it didn't happen because he was transferred away.
And I worked for many years in a PRU, with the sort of kids who, but for the grace of someone's god, could have been this girl.
It doesn't detract from the horror that this must have been - and continues to be - for all involved, but I can put my hand on my heart and promise you that in this case, multiple opportunities to avert things will have been missed. Because they (almost) always are. Missed, that is.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
At least one of the teachers stabbed is female. Head of yr 7.
davesgcr
Reading books
The whole hospital service was "concentrated" in SW Wales years ago , but there is a small "cottage" hospital surviving just up the road at Glanamman , which just does local stuff etc (retained after some considerable agitation maybe 20 years ago. (useless fact of the day , location of the very first birth in the UK once the NHS was "live")
It really is a factor for consideration for rural areas , travel to and from hospital for specialised services can be long - consider say Mid and North Wales where a trek to Chester or even Stoke-on-Trent may be required as I am informed may be neccessary. (If Aberystwyth or Bangor cannot oblige , Scotland even more challenging once you are out of the Central belt)
Some option for shifting the Carmarthen hospital further west ? -
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Shifting hospitals is one thing, but the whole question of shifting Glangwili is so they can downgrade Withybush.
And the ambulance service around here is parlous as it is, with the increasing amounts of time ambulances spend shuttling between Carmarthen and the West...not to mention the not infrequent trips that end up being made to Morriston (even further East) and Cardiff.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
TBF the ambulance service across the whole UK is pretty fucked. It’s almost as if if you slash funding to an emergency service it doesn’t work as well anymore….
(Welsh volunteer first responders are the only ones in the UK allowed to carry and administer gas and air ( nitrous oxide) for pain relief given the even longer back up times there though…)
nogojones
spelling is overrated
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
You don’t get a big bottle of NOX in the post TBF…
;Google your local ambulance trust website, have a look at the vacancy page under volunteers. It’s Normally Community First Responder (CFR) . You do a quick online application, have a chat with a coordinator for your local scheme either face to face or on the phone. Then you get a place on a weeks course, normally there is a nominal fee for this £20 or something which is to stop people booking loads and not turning up, you can wait a bit for that. Do about a day’s worth of online courses ( fire extinguishers, diversity, Alzheimer’s awareness etc). Then shadow an existing CFR and then you are good to go.)
It’s definitely worth it.
;Google your local ambulance trust website, have a look at the vacancy page under volunteers. It’s Normally Community First Responder (CFR) . You do a quick online application, have a chat with a coordinator for your local scheme either face to face or on the phone. Then you get a place on a weeks course, normally there is a nominal fee for this £20 or something which is to stop people booking loads and not turning up, you can wait a bit for that. Do about a day’s worth of online courses ( fire extinguishers, diversity, Alzheimer’s awareness etc). Then shadow an existing CFR and then you are good to go.)
It’s definitely worth it.
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Not as easy as you'd think. There's a website somewhere, and they'll take your details, then let you know that there aren't any places, but they'll be in touch.erm.... so how would I go about becoming one of these Welsh volunteer first responders?
Then, after a very long time, nothing will have happened.
Guess how I know this?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Whilst I agree with this, the people who should be picking up on these things are invariably overworked to the point where mistakes are inevitable. It's more or less blind luck when and where the really bad events happen, I doubt anyone working in this one area was any less dedicated, qualified or experienced than people doing the same jobs elsewhere.
A lot of kids are a fucking mess at the moment. It's remarkable what is achieved in safeguarding them and we shouldn't forget that. We shouldn't forget all the chances that weren't missed, all the catastrophes that never happened.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I absolutely agree with you, and I wouldn't want anyone to think I was sitting in judgement on the people at the coalface, who are snowed under, under-resourced, often actively undermined, and often burned out.
This requires imagination and will at a much higher level, to not see "troublesome children" as just Bad People, but to recognise that, for all kinds of reasons, interventions and support are necessary sooner rather than later...especially if we don't want to be picking up the consequences 5, 10, 20, 50 years down the line.
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