The Trial of Lucy Letby
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LeytonCatLady
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Lucy Letby: Corporate manslaughter probe at Chester hospital
Cheshire Police begins a corporate manslaughter inquiry at a hospital after the conviction of Lucy Letby.
www.bbc.com
GarveyLives
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While the world awaits news of Lucy Letby's appeal against her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six, there is news about she is coping as she serves her life sentence:
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
The punishment is the deprivation of liberty. I do not support the concept of additional punishment through hard labour or physical torment or mental torture or whatever else might be expected by those “furious” to discover how prisons actually work.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I've long thought that there should be some kind of news blackout on cases like this - she has been shut away, and I think that should happen on both sides. Formal stuff and court appearances aside, perhaps.While the world awaits news of Lucy Letby's appeal against her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six, there is news about she is coping as she serves her life sentence:
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
And especially reporting like this.
I think lifers, especially the no hope of parole ones, can sometimes get an easier ride because they have nothing left to lose.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Just imagine the victims' families trying to get on with their lives but can't walk into a shop without seeing Letby's face everywhere.
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tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
Yes and no.
They get access to courses, to work opportunities inside and almost always a single cell amongst other 'privileges'. This is to keep them compliant since a lifer, even those with a date, have fuck all to lose so have potential to be super violent etc. You dangle a carrot, keep em sweet. You'll also usualiy find that it's lifers at the start of their sentence that are the more animated. By the time they've done x amount of years, they're used to the system.
However.....that having fuck all to lose thing? It makes you a target for young blood lifers who think they have a point to prove.
While the world awaits news of Lucy Letby's appeal against her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six, there is news about she is coping as she serves her life sentence:
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
This is a non story imho. It's really common for prisoners to have a key to their cell these days. Punishing Letby further by taking that from her will just elevate her notoriety.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
For some of them, too, the idea that their notoriety continues is probably gratifying. That's not always the case, and I don't know if it would be the case here, but I do feel that this kind of prurience serves nobody well, except perhaps the aspirations of the convicted person.
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
But it's not just that. There are quotes from the families, so presumably the paper took it upon itself to approach them and say, 'Just wanted to tell you that Letby has a key to her cell, never mind that that's standard practice, have you got something to say to us?' I'm sure they went to more families than those they report, because quite a few would tell them to fuck off.
Combustible
Well-Known Member
Any distress of the families at hearing about Letby's living arrangements is solely the fault of whoever decided to tell them about it.
Article in the New Yorker this week questioning the judgement has been blocked for UK readers online.
It’s available in the print edition and I’m about half way through (its long) via Libby app, free with library card.
www.mediaite.com
It’s available in the print edition and I’m about half way through (its long) via Libby app, free with library card.
New Yorker Blocks Access To Article Challenging ‘Killer Nurse’ Conviction For UK Readers Due To Court Order
New Yorker limited access to UK readers due to a court order limiting press coverage of Letby’s ongoing appeal and retrial on one count.
www.mediaite.com
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Here's the archive version of the New Yorker article
It doesn't talk about how she kept mementoes of dead children or obsessively tracked the parents and funerals etc. Not that that on its own makes her guilty of course, but the obsession didn't do her defence any favours.
It doesn't talk about how she kept mementoes of dead children or obsessively tracked the parents and funerals etc. Not that that on its own makes her guilty of course, but the obsession didn't do her defence any favours.
It does mentions the Facebook searches - quote attached. Very difficult to say how anyone would react if they were in such a situation and innocent. Could argue that it makes a lot of sense not to want to turn up to your sentencing when you know you’re innocent.
The case looks very weak and heavily reliant on “expert” witnesses.
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Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
Having just read the print version, the gist of it seems to be:
Nicky Campbell on Radio 5L had a show last week with folk calling in with all sorts of horror stories of uncaring rubbishy care of babies
- The hospital was crap
- Dodgy experts misusing statistics and mis-identifying 'suspicious' deaths
- They picked 'air embolism' as a modus operandi even though there was no evidence because they just couldn't think of anything better
- She was a scapegoat for the hospital and people in the UK are afraid to criticise the NHS
- She was a bit odd and mentally fragile and didn't put up much of a defence
Nicky Campbell on Radio 5L had a show last week with folk calling in with all sorts of horror stories of uncaring rubbishy care of babies
Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
The NHS watchdog says the findings are the worst in England since focused inspections began in 2018.
www.bbc.co.uk
Good summary. Found this part surprising given the certainty that cause of death is/was reported in this case.Having just read the print version, the gist of it seems to be:
- The hospital was crap
- Dodgy experts misusing statistics and mis-identifying 'suspicious' deaths
- They picked 'air embolism' as a modus operandi even though there was no evidence because they just couldn't think of anything better
- She was a scapegoat for the hospital and people in the UK are afraid to criticise the NHS
- She was a bit odd and mentally fragile and didn't put up much of a defence
Nicky Campbell on Radio 5L had a show last week with folk calling in with all sorts of horror stories of uncaring rubbishy care of babies
Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
The NHS watchdog says the findings are the worst in England since focused inspections began in 2018.www.bbc.co.uk
Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
It says she tracked pretty much everyone she met for 5 minutes whether they were in her salsa class or parents of dead babies. Because she was bored and lonely and nosy and on Facebook on her phone a lot.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
It’s a well-written article but it does omit some significant details; as Thaw says, she took loads of confidential documents home with her which were found under her bed. Wasn’t she caught (or suspected of) falsifying patient records showing what meds/treatments had been given? Again, from memory: wasn’t she seen standing over a cot with a baby who’d had medical instrument shoved into its mouth damaging the oesophagus and/or stomach?
I’d have not enjoyed being on the jury as there doesn’t appear to be any direct evidence like CCTV footage - but loads of circumstantial evidence pointing in her direction.
The New Yorker article highlights what a poor state this ward/hospital was in, with already a number of paediatric deaths, medical staff run off their feet, lack of equipment etc. With the inference that the deaths could be attributed to the ward’s general mismanagement/underfunding.
But couldn’t these poor conditions and an already high mortality rate equally have provided cover for a nurse who was deliberately killing babies?
Horrible case all round. My feeling is that she’s most likely guilty but what do I know, only what was reported. We didn’t get to see the evidence that the jury were presented with - and they found her guilty.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Leave to appeal refused. I’m sure that the New Yorker article leaves out some weighty evidence against Letby, but it still looks reasonably likely to be a miscarriage of justice.
It should be easier to bar people from medical professions when there is a strong suspicion of wrongdoing, without having to go the whole hog and employ an expert witness to build a knockdown prosecution case and get the suspect sent down for life without any chance of dispassionate investigation of the facts, ever.
It should be easier to bar people from medical professions when there is a strong suspicion of wrongdoing, without having to go the whole hog and employ an expert witness to build a knockdown prosecution case and get the suspect sent down for life without any chance of dispassionate investigation of the facts, ever.
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Lucy Letby in now being retried on one count of attempted murder, with the jury in the current trial told on first day of her other convictions
Lucy Letby ‘caught virtually red-handed’ trying to kill newborn baby, new trial hears
Prosecuting counsel Nick Johnson KC claimed that her existing convictions are important evidence in the current trial.
Lucy Letby ‘caught virtually red-handed’ trying to kill newborn baby, new trial hears
Prosecuting counsel Nick Johnson KC claimed that her existing convictions are important evidence in the current trial.
GarveyLives
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Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
Lucy Letby: killer or coincidence? Why some experts question the evidence
Exclusive: Doubts raised over safety of convictions of nurse found guilty of murdering babies
Guardian allowed to present the case for the defence as above. Also raises doubts about the insulin deaths which I don't think New Yorker did.
There certainly seem to be plenty of medical and stats experts who think the prosecution is dodgy.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
That was very interesting, and definitely raises questions about the safety of the convictions.Lucy Letby: killer or coincidence? Why some experts question the evidence
Exclusive: Doubts raised over safety of convictions of nurse found guilty of murdering babieswww.theguardian.com
Guardian allowed to present the case for the defence as above. Also raises doubts about the insulin deaths which I don't think New Yorker did.
There certainly seem to be plenty of medical and stats experts who think the prosecution is dodgy.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
She’ll be out in twenty years without a formal apology or compensation and nothing will actually be done about how courts access medical or statistical expertise in cases like this.
Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
Lucia de Berk was out in 6. She even looks a bit like Letby
Lucia de Berk case - Wikipedia
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Rare?
Juries wrongly convicted
the Bham 6
and Guildford 4
and Bridgewater 4
and Barrie George
and Stefan Kizsko
and Stephen Downing
and Lucia de Berk
and Winston Silcott
and Judith Wardand
Suzanne Holdsworth
and Angela Cannings
and Sally Clark
and Amanda Knox
i remember both myself and Phil arguing for the innocence of Amanda Knox on here and recieving exactly the same scorn, disbelief, insults and smears. It seems to be part of the course with those without the wit the see an miscarriage of justice when its staring them in the face.
editor
hiraethified
Absolutely nothing you have said provides a shred of evidence that there has been a miscarriage of justice in the Letby case.
Citing random - and often decades old - cases that have nothing to do with Letby's convictions proves nothing., especially when they're from a different country.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Is that true, legally? I am not a lawyer so have no idea.
And would you apply that statement to any of the cases in the post above yours?
Concerned that your post immediately following on from a list of overturned convictions could cause legal problems for the site and editor
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