The Trial of Lucy Letby
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LeytonCatLady
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Lucy Letby: Corporate manslaughter probe at Chester hospital
Cheshire Police begins a corporate manslaughter inquiry at a hospital after the conviction of Lucy Letby.
www.bbc.com
GarveyLives
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While the world awaits news of Lucy Letby's appeal against her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six, there is news about she is coping as she serves her life sentence:
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
The punishment is the deprivation of liberty. I do not support the concept of additional punishment through hard labour or physical torment or mental torture or whatever else might be expected by those “furious” to discover how prisons actually work.
existentialist
Things Done
I've long thought that there should be some kind of news blackout on cases like this - she has been shut away, and I think that should happen on both sides. Formal stuff and court appearances aside, perhaps.While the world awaits news of Lucy Letby's appeal against her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six, there is news about she is coping as she serves her life sentence:
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
And especially reporting like this.
I think lifers, especially the no hope of parole ones, can sometimes get an easier ride because they have nothing left to lose.
SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
Just imagine the victims' families trying to get on with their lives but can't walk into a shop without seeing Letby's face everywhere.
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tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
Yes and no.
They get access to courses, to work opportunities inside and almost always a single cell amongst other 'privileges'. This is to keep them compliant since a lifer, even those with a date, have fuck all to lose so have potential to be super violent etc. You dangle a carrot, keep em sweet. You'll also usualiy find that it's lifers at the start of their sentence that are the more animated. By the time they've done x amount of years, they're used to the system.
However.....that having fuck all to lose thing? It makes you a target for young blood lifers who think they have a point to prove.
While the world awaits news of Lucy Letby's appeal against her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six, there is news about she is coping as she serves her life sentence:
Baby killer Lucy Letby living 'cushy life' in private jail with key to her own cell
This is a non story imho. It's really common for prisoners to have a key to their cell these days. Punishing Letby further by taking that from her will just elevate her notoriety.
existentialist
Things Done
For some of them, too, the idea that their notoriety continues is probably gratifying. That's not always the case, and I don't know if it would be the case here, but I do feel that this kind of prurience serves nobody well, except perhaps the aspirations of the convicted person.
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
But it's not just that. There are quotes from the families, so presumably the paper took it upon itself to approach them and say, 'Just wanted to tell you that Letby has a key to her cell, never mind that that's standard practice, have you got something to say to us?' I'm sure they went to more families than those they report, because quite a few would tell them to fuck off.
Combustible
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Any distress of the families at hearing about Letby's living arrangements is solely the fault of whoever decided to tell them about it.
Article in the New Yorker this week questioning the judgement has been blocked for UK readers online.
It’s available in the print edition and I’m about half way through (its long) via Libby app, free with library card.
www.mediaite.com
It’s available in the print edition and I’m about half way through (its long) via Libby app, free with library card.
New Yorker Blocks Access To Article Challenging ‘Killer Nurse’ Conviction For UK Readers Due To Court Order
New Yorker limited access to UK readers due to a court order limiting press coverage of Letby’s ongoing appeal and retrial on one count.
www.mediaite.com
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Here's the archive version of the New Yorker article
It doesn't talk about how she kept mementoes of dead children or obsessively tracked the parents and funerals etc. Not that that on its own makes her guilty of course, but the obsession didn't do her defence any favours.
It doesn't talk about how she kept mementoes of dead children or obsessively tracked the parents and funerals etc. Not that that on its own makes her guilty of course, but the obsession didn't do her defence any favours.
It does mentions the Facebook searches - quote attached. Very difficult to say how anyone would react if they were in such a situation and innocent. Could argue that it makes a lot of sense not to want to turn up to your sentencing when you know you’re innocent.
The case looks very weak and heavily reliant on “expert” witnesses.
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Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
Having just read the print version, the gist of it seems to be:
Nicky Campbell on Radio 5L had a show last week with folk calling in with all sorts of horror stories of uncaring rubbishy care of babies
- The hospital was crap
- Dodgy experts misusing statistics and mis-identifying 'suspicious' deaths
- They picked 'air embolism' as a modus operandi even though there was no evidence because they just couldn't think of anything better
- She was a scapegoat for the hospital and people in the UK are afraid to criticise the NHS
- She was a bit odd and mentally fragile and didn't put up much of a defence
Nicky Campbell on Radio 5L had a show last week with folk calling in with all sorts of horror stories of uncaring rubbishy care of babies
Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
The NHS watchdog says the findings are the worst in England since focused inspections began in 2018.
www.bbc.co.uk
Good summary. Found this part surprising given the certainty that cause of death is/was reported in this case.Having just read the print version, the gist of it seems to be:
- The hospital was crap
- Dodgy experts misusing statistics and mis-identifying 'suspicious' deaths
- They picked 'air embolism' as a modus operandi even though there was no evidence because they just couldn't think of anything better
- She was a scapegoat for the hospital and people in the UK are afraid to criticise the NHS
- She was a bit odd and mentally fragile and didn't put up much of a defence
Nicky Campbell on Radio 5L had a show last week with folk calling in with all sorts of horror stories of uncaring rubbishy care of babies
Most NHS maternity units not safe enough, says regulator
The NHS watchdog says the findings are the worst in England since focused inspections began in 2018.www.bbc.co.uk
Thaw
Aye like, so it is.
It says she tracked pretty much everyone she met for 5 minutes whether they were in her salsa class or parents of dead babies. Because she was bored and lonely and nosy and on Facebook on her phone a lot.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
It’s a well-written article but it does omit some significant details; as Thaw says, she took loads of confidential documents home with her which were found under her bed. Wasn’t she caught (or suspected of) falsifying patient records showing what meds/treatments had been given? Again, from memory: wasn’t she seen standing over a cot with a baby who’d had medical instrument shoved into its mouth damaging the oesophagus and/or stomach?
I’d have not enjoyed being on the jury as there doesn’t appear to be any direct evidence like CCTV footage - but loads of circumstantial evidence pointing in her direction.
The New Yorker article highlights what a poor state this ward/hospital was in, with already a number of paediatric deaths, medical staff run off their feet, lack of equipment etc. With the inference that the deaths could be attributed to the ward’s general mismanagement/underfunding.
But couldn’t these poor conditions and an already high mortality rate equally have provided cover for a nurse who was deliberately killing babies?
Horrible case all round. My feeling is that she’s most likely guilty but what do I know, only what was reported. We didn’t get to see the evidence that the jury were presented with - and they found her guilty.
Silas Loom
Advanced. Forthright. Signifficant.
Leave to appeal refused. I’m sure that the New Yorker article leaves out some weighty evidence against Letby, but it still looks reasonably likely to be a miscarriage of justice.
It should be easier to bar people from medical professions when there is a strong suspicion of wrongdoing, without having to go the whole hog and employ an expert witness to build a knockdown prosecution case and get the suspect sent down for life without any chance of dispassionate investigation of the facts, ever.
It should be easier to bar people from medical professions when there is a strong suspicion of wrongdoing, without having to go the whole hog and employ an expert witness to build a knockdown prosecution case and get the suspect sent down for life without any chance of dispassionate investigation of the facts, ever.
GarveyLives
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Lucy Letby in now being retried on one count of attempted murder, with the jury in the current trial told on first day of her other convictions
Lucy Letby ‘caught virtually red-handed’ trying to kill newborn baby, new trial hears
Prosecuting counsel Nick Johnson KC claimed that her existing convictions are important evidence in the current trial.
Lucy Letby ‘caught virtually red-handed’ trying to kill newborn baby, new trial hears
Prosecuting counsel Nick Johnson KC claimed that her existing convictions are important evidence in the current trial.
GarveyLives
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