Letby has the harshest sentence a British court has handed down post death penalty I think. Bellfield got two whole life orders whilst Letby got fourteen!
This one received a much lighter sentence:
Former respiratory therapist in Missouri sentenced in connection with patient deaths
A former Missouri respiratory therapist who pleaded guilty in the deaths of two hospital patients has been sentenced to 18 years in prison. Jennifer Hall was initially charged with two counts of first-degree murder but pleaded guilty in April to reduced first-degree involuntary manslaughter...www.yahoo.com
It makes one think whether psychologically similar but less dramatic events take place in other areas of work i.e. engineers causing fuck ups they can be responsible for solving or police encouraging crimes.
That'll be all the surgeons out of a job then.
But you can't actually be seriously suggesting that?
Bus drivers, then?I am very serious. I think that suitability assessments should be carried out when it comes to anyone working in life and death situations where an individual has control over someone's life and access to systems and/or equipment that can kill.
I am very serious. I think that suitability assessments should be carried out when it comes to anyone working in life and death situations where an individual has control over someone's life and access to systems and/or equipment that can kill.
I am very serious. I think that suitability assessments should be carried out when it comes to anyone working in life and death situations where an individual has control over someone's life and access to systems and/or equipment that can kill.
Richard Gill thinks Letby didn’t get a fair trial. Richard Gill is not just some random off the internet, he helped overturn the convictions of two other nurses convicted of murdering patients, Lucia de Berk & Daniela Poggiali.
The Lucy Letby case
Lucia de Berk - Wikipedia
Italian nurse acquitted of murder after statistical analysis
If you read that blog post then it's worth reading this reply too (link takes you direct to the reply, not the blogpost):Richard Gill thinks Letby didn’t get a fair trial. Richard Gill is not just some random off the internet, he helped overturn the convictions of two other nurses convicted of murdering patients, Lucia de Berk & Daniela Poggiali.
The Lucy Letby case
Lucia de Berk - Wikipedia
Italian nurse acquitted of murder after statistical analysis
Airline pilots undergo psychological screening and pilot murder-suicide is still a leading cause of fatal aviation accidents.I appreciate the sentiment, Aladdin , but I fear that what you are looking for is beyond our technological ability to deliver. How, precisely, would we go about making this individual assessment? Anything less than a long series of discussions with a qualified consulting psychologist would be inadequate, and I’m not convinced that even that would be enough
Fair enough..I appreciate the sentiment, Aladdin , but I fear that what you are looking for is beyond our technological ability to deliver. How, precisely, would we go about making this individual assessment? Anything less than a long series of discussions with a qualified consulting psychologist would be inadequate, and I’m not convinced that even that would be enough
Firefighting as a profession (i.e. which the victim of the fire paid for, on the spot, before any water was sprayed on the fire) famously arose in Ancient Rome.Seems to be a disturbing number of firefighter arsonists out there
"There's roughly 100 firefighter arsonists convicted every year in North America and all of them are serial arsonists, which means three or more fires," Nordskog said Monday
Particular issue for airlines from some countries where a younger subordinate must use more respectful language to an elder (so can’t quickly and clearly say something in a direct manner)In the airline industry it took a number of very bad crashes for the culture to change; Pan Am/KLM at Tenerife North, the Staines crash and a number more were 100% down to the captain being so very senior that the first officer either being too junior to feel able to speak up or for the captain to listen to them. This changed and now a captain that fails to listen to their first officer will get in deep shit. Another thing that changed is no-fault investigating of crashes, of course if there was deliberate actions to make it crash that would be a thing, but by a general no-fault policy that allowed lessons to actually be learned and changes implemented. Everything we've heard about the NHS so far shows they are very far from protecting junior staff who blow whistles and so on.
Particular issue for airlines from some countries where a younger subordinate must use more respectful language to an elder (so can’t quickly and clearly say something in a direct manner)
I’m not sure nurses in acute trusts are offered regular supervision. Certainly from hearing from a nursing colleague who moved from physical to mental health, the need for regular supervision was a new thing for him.Supervision also seems to be something that should be examined. How was she able to do this? How was she able to take a vial of insulin and use it without a check as to why and signing off by second member of staff..
Maybe hospitals are so short staffed that this is impossible to do...
Supervision also seems to be something that should be examined. How was she able to do this? How was she able to take a vial of insulin and use it without a check as to why and signing off by second member of staff..
Maybe hospitals are so short staffed that this is impossible to do...
Not sure about most of that, and there is a really odd disclaimer on one of the sites he links to ("Please note: Science on Trial and its contributor(s) are not affiliated, associated, authorized, or in any way connected with Dr Richard Gill and/or his affiliates. None of the scientific content or work on this website was created by or prepared by Dr Gill. No money or financial contributions made to Dr Gill are in any way associated with Science on Trial and its contributor(s) and we do not endorse Dr Gill to collect donations for any cause, by using the information contained on this website") which raises a few flags.
I think though he is right to suggest that the defence may not have been up to much. "Unexplained" clusters of baby deaths are not unknown in the recent history of the NHS (Bristol and East Kent), and it might have been better to adopt that as an overall defence whilst pointing out the lack of actual evidence.
So what is going on? What is it that makes those in such positions act in the way they do? Why does the interests of the institution become more important to them than the vulnerable users of it? These are the sorts of questions I think should be explored and investigated.
There's likely to be an inquiry, isn't there? But let's not get too one-sided without knowing the details of what management knew when, because the other side of the question is: what's the evidence threshold for suspending, investigating etc an employee? Whatever it is, it needs to also work in cases where there's nothing to the rumours/allegations. It doesn't seem to be the case that Letby was just ignored - she was eventually arrested, and the police initially released her without charge, so it's far from black-and- white.Yeah that's the end of the spectrum that needs dealing with; prompt reporting, timely and robust investigations, etc. and why they failed or were ignored.
The NHS makes a big noise about whistleblowing and incident reporting, Trusts have people in that role exclusively, what the fuck went wrong here?