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The Scottish independence referendum polling thread

"Should Scotland be an independent country?"

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 66.2%
  • No

    Votes: 17 26.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .
Who has the shy vote in Scotland at the moment? I suspect given the buzz and enthusiasm from the Yes camp, No voters will be far shyer when it comes to polling? If there is a shy vote at all.
Do you mean people who say they're going to vote one way to appease the asker but in reality will vote the other? Not sure there is one, everyone I've spoken to about it has been quite firm about which way they're voting and willing to back that up in discussion. I don't know many don't knows but the ones I do know are going around asking other people how they're voting rather than hiding their lights under a bushel iyswim
 
its a phenomena that caught pollsters with thier pants down during that shit era when major got in. Of course it could happen again, psephology is art not science (half the time). But it doesn't seem likely. Shyness isn't a noted trend amongst scottish voters now is it.
 
its a phenomena that caught pollsters with thier pants down during that shit era when major got in. Of course it could happen again, psephology is art not science (half the time). But it doesn't seem likely. Shyness isn't a noted trend amongst scottish voters now is it.
Exactly. You can see why people didn't want to admit they were voting Tory.
 
In this case though, I suspect it is the No vote that is diminished by unwillingness to admit: the bullying by Yes is well-attested.
 
Oh look: Wee Eck's privatising the SNHS.

Alex Salmond has been accused of “rank hypocrisy” and “duplicity” over his campaign on the NHS after it emerged that the health service in Glasgow has awarded a major contract to a private slimming company.
The First Minister has repeatedly claimed in recent weeks that the only way to save the health service from privatisation in Scotland is a Yes vote in the independence referendum.
His political opponents said he was scaring the vulnerable with lurid warnings while at the same time “nodding through NHS contracts to independent providers”.
The Telegraph has learned that Weight Watchers, the US-based international weight loss company, has won a two-year contract to provide 4,000 overweight patients with weight management guidance in the west of Scotland.

I don't have a problem with this as long as it's properly managed - after all, Weight Watchers are specialists - but Salmond's timing is very poor.
 
In this case though, I suspect it is the No vote that is diminished by unwillingness to admit: the bullying by Yes is well-attested.
Oh shut up. That's nonsense and you know it. There has been outrageous behaviour on both sides, but the stuff coming from Yes gets far more press and attention because the media is overwhelmingly biased to No.
 
I love all these lefties in support of raising new borders between the working classes. If anyone is in doubt of the idiocy of leftists jumping on the Yes bandwagon, they should have a read at what full time ball bag Billy Bragg wrote about it.
 
In this case though, I suspect it is the No vote that is diminished by unwillingness to admit: the bullying by Yes is well-attested.
Like the 80-year-old Yes leaflet that had his arm broken by a No supporting thug, or the death threats to Yes supporting politicians?

There is no monopoly of idiots on either side. Although there's more coverage given to eggs thrown at Jim Murphy than to anything No nutters do.

I have never met any shy No voters. Quite the reverse.
 
Unfortunately I well know that it's not nonsense.
Really? I hope you're not basing this opinion on media reports. Take for example this article in the Herald today (which I've c+p'ed because it's paywalled)

FEARS of "absolute carnage" outside polling stations on Referendum Day amid a growing atmosphere of intimidation have been raised by the No camp.

The suggestion comes after Yes Scotland was accused of organising "street mobbery" to shout down leading Unionist Jim Murphy, who warned the campaign had taken a "sinister turn".

Better Together leader Alistair Darling will talk to Police Scotland this week about the force's plans for September 18 and his "increasing concerns about the temperature of the debate".

Yesterday, a 55-year-old man was charged over an alleged assault on a woman after a disturbance between Yes and No campaigners in Glasgow. The incident involved about 30 people in Argyle Street on Saturday afternoon.The man has been released and a report will be sent to the procurator-fiscal.

Mary Pitcaithly, the Chief Counting Officer overseeing the vote, has spoken to Police Scotland about security and possible "high tensions" with an expected big turnout. Police are said to be planning a huge security operation.

Alex Salmond made it clear he absolutely condemned any intimidation, but said claims of organised mobs were "ridiculous" and emphasised the high level of political engagement among ordinary citizens in the campaign.

Mr Murphy has suspended his "100 towns in 100 days" tour on police advice after he complained of organised intimidation. He was hit by an egg while campaigning in Kirkcaldy.

The MP for East Renfrewshire said passionate engagement, heckling and even egg-throwing were part of the campaign process but orchestrated intimidation by scores of people was not.

"I would turn up and there was an organised mob of Yes supporters, facilitated through the Yes Scotland local organisations, their websites, Facebook and other social media," he explained.

The Labour front-bencher said he had fears for the public, saying: "These are people intending to disrupt and silence undecided voters on street corners so they cannot have their say." He added: "There's a difference between passion and aggression and there's a difference between one or two or even a dozen people turning up to heckle, and hundreds of people being organised to turn up to disrupt their opponents' meetings, turning over tables, climbing onto the crates, trying to attack a photographer because they happened to be English."

Mr Murphy said he had been called a traitor, a Quisling and a terrorist and added: "This isn't about small individuals or the odd idiot, this is orchestrated, it's co-ordinated and it has to stop."

Fears have been expressed of polling-day trouble, with No supporters concerned about intimidation at polling stations when rival campaigners come face to face. One senior No campaign source said: "We are worried that there is going to be absolute carnage."

The First Minister, who is in Dundee today, hailed the campaign as the "most exciting, participative and powerful debate in Scottish political history". He pointed out that someone was convicted last week of making online threats to him, and said a female Yes supporter was assaulted in Glasgow.

But, he said: "I don't hold press conferences accusing Mr Murphy or the No Campaign of orchestrating these events because I know that it would be ridiculous to do so. So let me be absolutely clear … If Mr Murphy comes bawling and shouting at a street corner near you any time soon, keep doing your shopping, go on with what you are doing. It's just like a guy with 'the End is Nigh' round his neck; he'll go away soon."

Both sides urged those who have not yet registered to vote to do so. The deadline for registration is tomorrow.

In particular this paragraph:
Yesterday, a 55-year-old man was charged over an alleged assault on a woman after a disturbance between Yes and No campaigners in Glasgow. The incident involved about 30 people in Argyle Street on Saturday afternoon.The man has been released and a report will be sent to the procurator-fiscal.

In the context of the rest of the article (which is mostly hysterical nonsense from Jim Murphy) that looks like it was an assault by a Yes campaigner on a No voter, doesn't it? In fact it was quite the opposite. In fact it was a member of BNP offshoot 'Britannica' who are No campaigners and he kicked a female passer-by (it's not clear whether she is a Yes or No voter) in the stomach then got back on his mic and called her 'junkie scum' to the assembled crowd. But why let fact get in the way.
 
I dont know how to do the shout out thing but id be particularly interested to hear toggles take on this piece of gritty social realism from the NO campaign

seriously..this is a real ad. its not a piss take.

 
the No campaign is fucked because Labour are never going to actually talk about shit like the labour movement and british workers struggles. Saying that a cynic might assume the No campaign is being run by secret Yes folks, it's been so hilariously bad.
 
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/dads-fury-son-narrowly-avoids-4141853

Yes campaigner Dad's fury as son narrowly avoids chair thrown from balcony by No supporter
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...-attacked-by-mob-outside-tynecastle-1-3527125

Stewart Dredge, a 59-year-old grandfather from Currie, was left with a cut above his eye amid claims he was punched and headbutted by a stranger.

Mr Dredge, secretary of Edinburgh Pentlands SNP, said Hearts Supporters for Independence had been campaigning peacefully outside the stadium during the Falkirk game when they were targeted.

He said: “It was fairly traumatic, a really serious incident. Some of the other people were upset. One lad from East Calder was punched in the face for trying to film it on his phone. His mouth was swollen, and he was very tearful and upset.”
 
I'm fairly sure you can already guess at some of it Casually Red

I support the Yes campaign for Scotland, I've also discussed my support for devolution of power to a Cornish assembly and I'm writing a thesis on the Cornish response to the Irish Home Rule debates. I've spoken openly about how I think that the supporters of the union are recycling the same arguments that were seen in the debates over Irish Home Rule in the 1886 and onwards election campaigns. The sneering, the barely concealed bigotry, they can't stop with that shit, even though they have been told by some of their own supporters that they drive support towards devolution since that period.And I can't seperate my feelings about this campaign from my understanding of the history of anti devolution and suffrage campaigns.


my thesis draft said:
The Liberal Unionists usually preferred an approach stating that union was better for both nations, but tended to be focused very much on the rights of England, with little consideration of the needs of Ireland. AV Dicey, one of the LUPs most prominent political writers and theorists, firmly believed that a significant portion of the political and social unrest among Irish people was caused by overt racism. Dicey was to state that:

if Englishmen could learn to speak and think of Irishmen with the same respect and consideration due their fellow citizens, if they could cease to jeer at Irishmen now as not more than a century ago they used to jeer at Scotchmen, the Union would soon become something more than a mere work of legal ingenuity.


He believed that this ‘jeering’ was manipulated by the nationalists into a power base for their cause, that if attacks were to stop, there would be more contentment in Ireland and the spectre of nationalism would dissipate. This position became a cornerstones of early Liberal Unionist policy, ‘killing home rule with kindness’.[2]

that quote in the middle is from AV Dicey - England's Case against Home Rule. I think he was wrong in stating that the jeering against Scottish people had gone away. But i thought this highlights how these people are incapable, as they have been for a long time, of concealing their distaste for the idea of people from the Celtic nations running their own country and how they have learned fuck all in the 100 years since parliament voted to grant Home Rule to Ireland.

I know that isn't quite the response you were expecting first off, but I think ti's important to address the reasons this is quite that bad. the level of shit that is this video is because not only is it aimed at women, it's aimed at Scottish women, lesser creatures on two counts.

As for the feminist perspective-

Although I don't tend to follow major election campaigns from this century in huge detail, this level of patronizing is something that I'm used to reading. because it does not usually belong in this century. The attitude is more reminiscent of the campaigns aimed at the 4th reform act era women voters. The kind of stuff that every party now, other than UKIP know they have to keep one hell of a lid on. and even they have to disaprove of when their candidates gob off.


it's very much situating women in the domestic sphere, where they belong because of their inclinations and abilities. they don't really want to vote, they are happy to leave all that bother of politics to the menz. Ideas that didn't apply to a lot of actual women by the time Millicent Fawcett dissociated herself from the Liberal Unionists and went back to only campaigning on women's suffrage in the 1890s. many women knew then that they did not want to be held solely into the domestic, thy wanted a public role and they took a public role.

They knew that then, but the shit that was told to women then has been brought back. and i can't help but see a resurrection of 100 year old bullshit as proof that the people running this campaign are bigoted fuckwads.that this proves how little respect they have, not only for women, but for the scottish people in general.

is there anything I need to add to clarify my position?
 
I love all these lefties in support of raising new borders between the working classes. If anyone is in doubt of the idiocy of leftists jumping on the Yes bandwagon, they should have a read at what full time ball bag Billy Bragg wrote about it.


'raising new borders' capital sets and works existing borders and removes them when it wants workers. This might be about nationalism for some of them, I'm in it to see the conservatives take a beating. Thats realpolitik. By all means keep fighting the no borders cause, maybe get me some free unicorns and a 12 inch penis while you are at the big shop of shit-that-will-never-happen-in-our-lifetime.
 
If you thought that ad wasn't bizarre enough, here's their new poster campaign

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