The Reform UK Party (latest nigel farage vehicle) is it to be laughed at or not
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
make that needing an extra 1680 members to overtake the vermin; since I posted the screenshot 32 minutes ago, 100 people have decided to use this evening to join the refUKers taking them through the 130k
At this rate it'll be hours, rather than days when they get membership crossover.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
please stop shit-posting
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Has the Labour membership fallen that far?
PTK
Paul Kegan
If people are going to use the hands on heart symbol to respond to my posts, I think that it is reasonable for me to ask what it means.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Oh, come on Sasaferrato you know where that term comes from and to whom it applies.Has the Labour membership fallen that far?
Those refUKers will have to pull some mighty publicity stunts to convince enough credulous folk to pay to join them to start matching the LP's 360k!
Agrippa57
Still European. And Richie Blackmore is God
So do I. Please pardon me for what was a (albeit very limp) attempt at humour. I'm not interested in getting into an argument about it. And, in the spirit of mutual bafflement, we recent arrivals have been expressing the very same confusion among ourselves in another place.
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HeAthen
Nadgers.
Fuck off. Tonino is great, and I do truly mean that.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No, but please do stop wrecking the thread with your shit-posting. What is motivating the former AV crowd to consistently disrupt discussion of Reform?
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Derek S-H
Klaatu. Barada. Nikto.
Oh, I do think self-appointed Forum police are simply brilliant!
Alas, you don't speak for the entire site (even if you hope you do) and it's good to shake things up a bit before they go too stale and stodgy.
What we actually need is a Reform supporter to make an appearance and explain their reasoning and justification for voting to make their lives worse, not yet more tired theoretical rhetoric. As I mentioned before, I did try to engage with one previously, but they cut and ran away before answering any of my numerous questions. And then the Thread got locked.
And, may I remind you of the Thread title (it's at the top of the page)? Incredulous laughter is the only thing a fascist grifter like Nige deserves. Mind you, here's an opinion piece that probably won't go down well on here because it's offensive or something:
Never Underestimate the Ignorance and Stupidity of the American Electorate
The pundits have had their say about why Donald Trump was again elected as president. Biden should never have tried to be re-elected, Harris was a weak candidate, Democrats didn’t appeal to the working class, Democrats come off as snooty, snobbish...
www.dailykos.com
Exchange "American Electorate" for "Reform voters" and you're not too far away. I know it's unpalatable for the right-on types on here, but sometimes a basic truth is just staring you in the face. What to do about it? Stop giving the racist airtime, expose the fallacies in his position, don't let him run rings around you with his sophistry and maybe ask the most important question of all: does he have a penis that looks like Toad from "Mario Kart?"
PTK
Paul Kegan
I could not find an explanation of the symbol on that thread.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I don't object at all to your humour.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, sanctimonious liberals like you calling working people stupid; that's the way to defeat right populism.Oh, I do think self-appointed Forum police are simply brilliant!
Alas, you don't speak for the entire site (even if you hope you do) and it's good to shake things up a bit before they go too stale and stodgy.
What we actually need is a Reform supporter to make an appearance and explain their reasoning and justification for voting to make their lives worse, not yet more tired theoretical rhetoric. As I mentioned before, I did try to engage with one previously, but they cut and ran away before answering any of my numerous questions. And then the Thread got locked.
And, may I remind you of the Thread title (it's at the top of the page)? Incredulous laughter is the only thing a fascist grifter like Nige deserves. Mind you, here's an opinion piece that probably won't go down well on here because it's offensive or something:
Never Underestimate the Ignorance and Stupidity of the American Electorate
The pundits have had their say about why Donald Trump was again elected as president. Biden should never have tried to be re-elected, Harris was a weak candidate, Democrats didn’t appeal to the working class, Democrats come off as snooty, snobbish...www.dailykos.com
Exchange "American Electorate" for "Reform voters" and you're not too far away. I know it's unpalatable for the right-on types on here, but sometimes a basic truth is just staring you in the face. What to do about it? Stop giving the racist airtime, expose the fallacies in his position, don't let him run rings around you with his sophistry and maybe ask the most important question of all: does he have a penis that looks like Toad from "Mario Kart?"
FFS
Cloo
Banana for scale
I think the government needs to go much more on the attack against Reform. The idea that they'll be able to 'out-argue' them is laughable, because they don't give a shit about legitimate arguments. The way their campaign will work is that Farage completely makes up a tweet saying 'Ahmed got off a boat from Islamistan 2 months ago and raped 5 little British girls and now he's living in a luxury mansion receiving £2000 a week benefits and the police refuse to investigate him in case it seems racist', gets retweeted by Musk going 'WTF Britain, you have to get this corrupt, woke government out and take your country back!' Liked 5 million times by people, none of whom will ever see or believe any information about 'There is no evidence for this story whatsoever'
Derek S-H
Klaatu. Barada. Nikto.
Which is exactly the response I expected.
Like I said, stale and stodgy and things need shaking up around here, because whilst you're all agreeing with each other and being inoffensive, they are rising in popularity.
At least Cloo seems to get it - the Left needs to push back and take control of the "immigrant scrounger" narrative. Take Back Control, even!
Perhaps we need another complex 3-word slogan to make the point: "Immigration Is Good?"
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Tend to agree, but by adopting the neoliberal agenda the LP has abandoned the one weapon that would really undermine right populism. If working people's needs are not met why should they vote for the mainstream parties?
Cloo
Banana for scale
Yeah, absolutely their policy of 'be slightly less evil than the Right' is going to totally backfire and lead the country towards populism, not away from it.
The transphobia is a perfect example of this. They could have put out the 'culture war' fire about transphobia, recognised the people kicking up a fuss are a noisy minority as polls repeatedly show most of the public is either indifferent to or supportive of trans 'issues'. They could have said 'Trans people are less than 1% of the population, they should not be an electoral issue and their care is between them and their health professionals'; then set up some decent policies for women's rights, funded more support for investigation of rapes and sexual crimes etc so when the TERFs came screaming 'YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT WOMEN' they could say 'Actually, we've done this, this and this, which will make an actual difference for women - the Tories never did that'. Instead they have added fuel to the fire so Reform can come along and echo Trump's 'We'll destroy "trans ideology"' (aka trans people) scorched earth cruelty. And similar applies to benefits and so on.
And, as you say, they are not meeting working people's needs - they're not doing anything that will make a dent in housing affordability, for example. And Reform won't do anything about it either, they'll just say vague things about it and then sell everything off to their private equity mates.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I mean, I wouldn’t personalise it, but that’s correct.
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