except for the fact that in the past they've been absolutely as bad as the tory party. and past behaviour is generally considered to have some influence on future activity. only when this shabby past is pointed out to you you use sophistry to try to wriggle round it.
We're not in the past.
You've made the accusation, so back it up
Labour is fucked. They make Thatcher look as right-wing as Neil Kinnock. They might not be quite as bad as the Tories but they're still a bunch of self-serving cunts, which wouldn't be so bad if they weren't beyond useless.
do you think that the destruction of council estates and erection of yuppie flats is in the past? you've not responded to that so i suppose it doesn't bother you.
it is as you suggest far better to get out and riot on election day. if you vote - for any party - then you're not choosing the lesser of evils, you're signalling your assent to the entire cabal of cunts. if you vote for labour hoping for crumbs for the working class, you'll be in for a long wait.
That's the only point that matters as far as the election system goes. I don't want either of them but I doubt Westminster is going anywhere between now and then
Grow up
It really isn't. There's no way I'd vote for Labour, I'd rather draw a spunking cock on my ballot paper, and I reckon enough people feel the same way that at the next election it'll mean another win for the Tories.
if you're saying 'vote labour to kick the tories out' then objectively you are supporting labour. doesn't mean you throw spare change their way. it does mean you're shilling here on their behalf - and without pay, which is even worse.
How would that be better?
To be clear, as well as accusing me of talking biologics and refusing to back that up, you're now saying I'm shilling for labour?
Did I say it would be better? But how would it be worse?
er i did back that up. i returned to your 'i see no reason' at the top of the page.
this is arrant bollocks for a number of reasons. the thing about the labour party's past is that it is very much of a piece. it's not some lovely party which only occasionally falls short of its lofty ideals, it's down and dirty in the mire. take islington council, for example, and margaret hodge, its 1980s leader and the paedophiles friend. she now occupies no lowly position, being a prominent labour mp. there are no end of other mps who link the current labour party to its past under blair, brown etc.
Did you not understand the question?
what question? there isn't a question in your previous post to me or in the one i quoted.
no, i am not arguing a pointless straw man. i started off taking issue with your 'i cannot see a reason to think labour would be as bad as or worse than the tories', which is true if you ignore everything before yesterday. but if you look at the history of labour in power nationally or locally then it is an astonishing claim to make. in any case, there is a clear link between my replies to your posts and your posts themselves. i didn't list anywhere near all of labour's failings, only the edited highlights, and realised afterwards i'd forgotten things like the terrorism act 2000. and if you think being given reasons not to vote labour in response to a comment about how you can't see such a reason, if you think that's insulting then i don't think you'll really fare well here.
here we see once again than you substitute childish digs for argument. you talk about straw men above and here's a good example of you doing just that. i haven't said what you claim, i said that by saying vote labour to get the tories out you're objectively supporting labour despite your claim to the contrary. after all, they tally the votes and not the reasons for the votes.
yeh. i haven't seen much in the way of argument from you. funny how you demand what you don't supply
And I no wish to talk with someone so thunderingly stupid. At no point on this thread or on these boards have I said one thing in favour of the conservative party. Indeed in our exchange I described them as shit. Or a turd. One or the other. Hardly an endorsement. I have not said suggested implied or otherwise given you cause to think labour are the only villains. All this started over your labour allegedly the lesser of two evils and I think they're worse because the Tories don't have a history of claiming to be the working class party - as the auld rebel song has it, the lowest of the low is the for you do not know, and many people think the LP is a friend as opposed to the outright enemy the Tory party is. I was talking about the labour party as you were making them out as better than Johnson's crew. And so they are. In opposition. As Blair was better than major before 1997. But give them a sniff of power and then you'll see their gloves come off as they came off new labour then.
You're not anywhere near as smart as you think you are, while you continue to lord your attitude over everyone you've spoken to. Don't think I haven't noticed how you talk to people, it's shit.
I've got perfectly good arguments which you can't refute so mischaracterise.
Wonder if he took said sink on his thirty flights ?
I know
