the neoliberal vision of the future
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Regimes which are out and out defenders of capitalism do this to one degree or another, just like most other types of regime. It will always be the case. Again, so what?
I see you have done your homework on Onarchy. That is indeed his photograph, I recognise it. Here it is again:-
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Go on, Onan. I dare ya. Go out today and perform an act of kindness for a complete stranger taking no reward for it. See how it makes you feel.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I see you have done your homework on Onarchy. That is indeed his photograph, I recognise it. Here it is again:-
That's him?
You mean he isn't an 18-year-old.?
Wow.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
'Altruism' actually makes people feel good. So it isn't altruism. So it doesn't exist.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
In your world, perhaps. But it's still cheap.
No, the main business idea is to attract international investors for export. Thus, the people moving to and living in the Free State will to a large extent directly or indirectly live from working in an export industry. Export is of course primarily a means to be able to import goods that cannot easily be produced locally. The things that CAN be produced locally for local consumption (apart from all the export articles) is fresh food.
In the beginning the Free State will have very few citizens (a few thousand) and that is not sufficient to create a local market. With time the Free State may grow in size to millions of people and with 100.000+ people the state is big enough to support local markets and local jobs.
That's a really good observation. If you do something for someone and it makes you feel good, then you're doing it not for MATERIAL profit, but for well-being, but profit nonetheless. So those who actually do things for others and feel good about it are being self-interested.
But altruism as a moral philosophy doesn't preach self-interest. Altruism preaches sacrifice and suffering. An act is ONLY considered good when it hurts. That's why in the Bible Jesus considers a poor woman who gives everything she owns a much more moral person than a rich person who only gives some of his surplus, even though the rich person gives more in absolute terms. Altruism has to hurt in order to be good.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
penny to a pound you'd end up importing serf labour on temporary visas and treating them like shit. Molesting the staff.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This really is 'Philosophy for beginners', isn't it?
I'm off out into the sun. You're a cunt, Onan. A cunt who wishes to dress up a selfish grandiose scheme aimed at making himself rich at the expense of others as some kind of Utopian project.
You disgust me.
Oh, and you're also a fucking idiot.
Quite correct. Everybody knows that there have been no bitter, nasty, twisted, brutish millionaires and no benevolent, mild and gentle altruists.
Do you genuinely believe this Mickey Mousery?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It originally had no attribution, but was suspected to have been produced by (to my knowledge. There may be many more possible sources):
Action Française (French right).
Eduard Drumont's staff for publication in La Libre Parole (so, anti-Semitic right).
Relict anti-Semite Blanquists.
Perhaps what onarchy is forgetting is that much "black propaganda" abounded in politics, as much in the hundred years between 1850 and 1950 as in the last 60 years. Pasting up posters and printing adverts in another political group's name wasn't exactly unknown.
Basically they will be free-loaders who are looking to move their capital and residence away from existing tax-havens which have low taxes - like the Channel Islands, to the new one which will have zero taxes. They will have given up waiting for any of the existing schemes to build floating islands for tax exiles. It is probably a lot cheaper to create the new non-state in an undeveloped part of Africa than on a maintenance-needy, ship.
If they can get enough people interested in investing, they could possibly launch a Pyramid or Ponzi scheme which would not be illegal because the non-state would have no laws banning such schemes.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Action Francaise was the group I immediately thought of when I saw that cartoon. And they were monarchists iirc?
Normally I don't answer insults, but I couldn't resist on pointing out the glaring irony of someone who encourages a person to perform an act of kindness for a complete stranger taking no reward for it, while at the same time performing an act of extreme malevolence (bullying) towards that very stranger! During this entire "debate" I haven't asked anyone of you to be benevolent towards me. I've simply asked you to NOT be directly malevolent, i.e. to treat me with a barebone of minimal respect, by not calling me names. Here you are preaching altruism as a moral ideal while BULLYING people!!!! It's fantastic! How is such a neon light self-contradiction even possible? I'd ask you to practice what you preach, but behaving like a decent human being an NOT bullying people shouldn't be an act of altruism. It should be a matter of course.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
I think you're overstating the level of understanding here.
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Ethnic nalgocrat
He's not thick, he's just a hobbyist with oddball views.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He seems extremely thick to me.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
How does this mean marxism breaks down?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No, you've concluded that I'm a "socialist", and that I believe that you don't own your own life or the products thereof because you're not capable of thinking outside of your own pigeonholes.
I'm not a socialist, however much you may wish to label anyone who doesn't agree with you as one, and neither do I wish to deprive you of the right to control your own life and the products thereof.
Mentioning that if you choose to remain living within a state where there is a quid pro quo in terms of the imposition of duties upon you, you also have the choice to remove yourself from it isn't an attempt to deprive, it's a statement of fact.
Have I done this to you, or are you conflating the actions of your home-state with somebody on the internet arguing with you? The latter, I believe.
Child, I've been the "goon with the gun", as well as fighting "the goon with the gun". I suspect I have a somewhat more rounded knowledge of the world and it's wrkings than you do.
Equating Hitler's sociopathy about the German people with his profession of altruism is fatuous. An altruist would sacrifice themselves for "the common good", not the people for whom they were responsible.
As I've just shown, your understanding of altruism is faulty, which renders what you have to say here as so much pompous foolishness.
As for your pride, perhaps the word "hubris" is more fitting, given the masturbatory nature of your ideology.
I know what altruism means, I own several editions of the Oxford English dictionary, as well as attempting to practice it as often as possible. I haven't claimed (and neither has anyone else) that it means "benevolence". Neither is "suffering and sacrifice" the "essence of altruism". Altruism is merely a regard for others, unselfishness, if you wish to encapsulate the concept in a word.
Obviously, to yourself, "unselfishness" is anathema, which is why your ideology will never reach fruition. It is sterile.
Why do you keep manufacturing arguments that haven't been made? Are you truly that intellectually bereft that you can only present "set piece" arguments?
1) The Free State will not be a tax haven (i.e. a place where people can hide away their money from taxation in other countries), 2) investors don't make any money by simply letting the money sit there doing nothing. Investing means building factories, investing in machines, paying salaries to workers etc. Investors will do this because with low taxes and good governance they will have a greater profit margin there than anywhere else, and they will then use their profit to reinvest in the Free State because it is the best place to generate the highest profit. In this way thousands and eventually millions of jobs will be created for people who today are dirt poor and unemployed.
Here we go with the übermensch-better-than-thou stuff again. You altruists are truly demi-gods aren't you? Sooo much smarter, better and nicer than us mere humans.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Most of history's more repellent characters would proclaim themselves altruists. It hardly renders the claim as accurate.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Kizmet's a hit and run artist, you won't get anything sensible out of him.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
You're just shadow boxing here. A bit wrapped up in your own discourse?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Now, now, stop bullying the little delicate flower. He doesn't need to back up his claims. He's John Galt!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Didn't Mr. Mieville make a similar point about the various "free" community ideas floating round (some would-be literally)?
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