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independence for Greenland?

Lost a nuke.

And left a very large amount of high level nuclear waste at the site where they planned to build ICBM facilities under the icecap. They removed the reactor when the project was cancelled due to ice movement but left the waste and other major debris from the project.

The reduction in thickness of the icecap due to global warming means there is a significant chance of it all being exposed over the next decade or two. Something the US confidently expected to never happen. I understand the Greenlanders have been monitoring its steady progress across the icecap by ground radar survey since they discovered it again a decade or more ago.
 
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We have also seen an example in a couple of posts above of something that I saw in a Youtube video recently. Apparentyly,
many people in the USA believe that people in Britain are very interested in the American War of Independance, and know much about it. I am not sure if I know who Cornwallis was, but from the context I assume that he was a British general.

We see something similar in Scotland with Americans "returning" and desperate to visit the site of the Battle of Dunbar - They expect regular buses from Princes St/Waverley Station, a fully staffed "welcome centre" and regular re-enactments. Instead of the full "forging of the nation" experience, they find it is a pain in the ass to get to, involves quite some walking and is amongst the least well-remembered battles in Scottish history. Of the two small monuments, one is a away down a tiny single track by a big quarry and the other is served by a 1-car max layby on a re-aligned slip road to the A1. The one and only re-enactment anyone knows about was back in the early 2000s before the quarry hole flooded much of the remaining battlefield

The historic background is that this was when Cromwell brought the New Model Army to Scotland, thrashed everyone in his path and partially recovered his costs by selling a very substantial amount of the prisoners taken into indentured servitude in the Carolinas and other places, thus making it amongst the first instances of major Scottish migration to the Americas. There are now many descendants!

Their shock at not finding the full "forging of a nation" experience is palpable..!
 
As mentioned by me above many women from Greenland were fitted with IUDs as teenagers without either their consent or knowledge by the Danish health care for eugenics purposes.

And just which very soon to be world leader was spouting eugenicist bullshit, as recently as a few months ago and has a significant proportion of his base mired to an irredeemable degree in eugenic thinking..?

Denmark has I hope learned from its mistakes.
 
And just which very soon to be world leader was spouting eugenicist bullshit, as recently as a few months ago and has a significant proportion of his base mired to an irredeemable degree in eugenic thinking..?

Denmark has I hope learned from its mistakes.
I doubt it since the Danes are racists to theirr core. Greenland would do well to be rid of Denmark , it's joke of a Navy and it's inbred king
 
They didn't in 1976

Also from your link

Was that zone not established to protect Greenland's waters when the Grand Banks/Northwestern Atlantic fishery showed the first signs of impending collapse in the late 1970s/early1980s?

The initial response to the plummeting catches was to start eyeing-up the Greenland waters as an alternative fishing ground but catches rose again before collapsing completely about a decade later and are still in a slow recovery phase even today.
 
We see something similar in Scotland with Americans "returning" and desperate to visit the site of the Battle of Dunbar - They expect regular buses from Princes St/Waverley Station, a fully staffed "welcome centre" and regular re-enactments. Instead of the full "forging of the nation" experience, they find it is a pain in the ass to get to, involves quite some walking and is amongst the least well-remembered battles in Scottish history. Of the two small monuments, one is a away down a tiny single track by a big quarry and the other is served by a 1-car max layby on a re-aligned slip road to the A1. The one and only re-enactment anyone knows about was back in the early 2000s before the quarry hole flooded much of the remaining battlefield

The historic background is that this was when Cromwell brought the New Model Army to Scotland, thrashed everyone in his path and partially recovered his costs by selling a very substantial amount of the prisoners taken into indentured servitude in the Carolinas and other places, thus making it amongst the first instances of major Scottish migration to the Americas. There are now many descendants!

Their shock at not finding the full "forging of a nation" experience is palpable..!
Off topic again, I never understood the attraction of this place. Why people would come out of their way to bumfuckville just to look at a church? After flying across half the world.
 
We see something similar in Scotland with Americans "returning" and desperate to visit the site of the Battle of Dunbar - They expect regular buses from Princes St/Waverley Station, a fully staffed "welcome centre" and regular re-enactments. Instead of the full "forging of the nation" experience, they find it is a pain in the ass to get to, involves quite some walking and is amongst the least well-remembered battles in Scottish history. Of the two small monuments, one is a away down a tiny single track by a big quarry and the other is served by a 1-car max layby on a re-aligned slip road to the A1. The one and only re-enactment anyone knows about was back in the early 2000s before the quarry hole flooded much of the remaining battlefield

The historic background is that this was when Cromwell brought the New Model Army to Scotland, thrashed everyone in his path and partially recovered his costs by selling a very substantial amount of the prisoners taken into indentured servitude in the Carolinas and other places, thus making it amongst the first instances of major Scottish migration to the Americas. There are now many descendants!

Their shock at not finding the full "forging of a nation" experience is palpable..!
That's interesting.

I imagine they underestimate the sheer quantity of places of some historical significance here compared to the US, it isn't possible to give every place of some significance the full tourist treatment.
 
Off topic again, I never understood the attraction of this place. Why people would come out of their way to bumfuckville just to look at a church? After flying across half the world.
I’ve seen that signposted and assumed it’s to do with WW2, as plenty of troops in this part of the world pre D-Day but looking at your link I have the wrong idea. I could understand D-Day as there would be a living memory connection. But seems it is for some founding father equivalent.
 
Was that zone not established to protect Greenland's waters when the Grand Banks/Northwestern Atlantic fishery showed the first signs of impending collapse in the late 1970s/early1980s?

The initial response to the plummeting catches was to start eyeing-up the Greenland waters as an alternative fishing ground but catches rose again before collapsing completely about a decade later and are still in a slow recovery phase even today.

My understanding* is that until the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea there was no internationally agreed standard regulating territorial waters for fishing and other purposes.

* which I'd be happy to have corrected or clarified
 
Some analysis from the BBC

Trump wants to take Greenland: Four ways this saga could go


In recent weeks, US President-elect Donald Trump has shown renewed interest in taking control of Greenland, a largely autonomous territory of Denmark in the Arctic and the world's largest island. He first indicated an intention to buy Greenland in 2019, during his first term as president, but this week he went further, refusing to rule out economic or military force to take control of it. Danish and European officials have responded negatively, saying Greenland is not for sale and its territorial integrity must be preserved.
  1. Trump loses interest, nothing happens

  2. Greenland votes for independence, seeks closer ties with US

  3. Trump steps up economic pressure

  4. Trump invades Greenland

 
We're a big, important, powerful country, these areas around us are our sphere of influence, and we should have the final say over how they are run, up to and including invading them if that serves our strategic needs.

I struggle to see a fundamental difference between Trump and Putin on this point.
 
We're a big, important, powerful country, these areas around us are our sphere of influence, and we should have the final say over how they are run, up to and including invading them if that serves our strategic needs.

I struggle to see a fundamental difference between Trump and Putin on this point.

Quote from that article

Dr Gad says Trump sounds like Chinese President Xi Jinping talking about Taiwan or Russia's Vladimir Putin talking about Ukraine.

"He's saying it's legitimate for us to take this piece of land," he says. "If we take him really seriously this is a bad omen for the whole of the Western alliance."
 
Some analysis from the BBC

Trump wants to take Greenland: Four ways this saga could go



  1. Trump loses interest, nothing happens

  2. Greenland votes for independence, seeks closer ties with US

  3. Trump steps up economic pressure

  4. Trump invades Greenland

For number 4, I think Denmark would need a say on Greenland as they basically own it and it would'nt look good if another NATO country invaded anothers terrority.
 
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