the american way...

[nosos]

Where do you see me linking their poverty to anything?

Sorry said.. Federation of free communes - if it's good enough for Mexican peasants, it's good enough for me.

To which you said.. You want to live in poverty like the Mexican peasants of southern Mexico?

All within the context of a discussion about nation states. I'm genuinely sorry if I read too much into what you said, I'll go to greater lengths not to over-estimate the depth of what you're saying and not to make logical inferances from anything you post.

 

[mears]

You're seriously claiming these things are only possible under a nation-state? It's people who do these things, Mears, people. The nation-state is the infrastructure within which they operate, it's not a necessity for their operation. I'm sure as a good free market capitalist, you'd be open to the possibility of privatisation of public services (lest you be seen as some sort of socialist ) .. would you not?

You have a point about police enforcing the law though, obviously. But to what end does law enforcement by the police work in your view?

Law enforcement strives to keep people who do things like murder and steal off the street. You get rid of the police and these people will have free reign. You get rid of law enforcement and criminals will demand companies pay them for protection against other criminals. Citizen militias will be formed to protect their possessions. Everyone will need a gun. A paradise for the underworld!

Something needs to replace that governing infrastructure or you will have a power vacuum. Privitising social services is fine, I'm glad you are in favor of it.

But if you want to abolish the state you better have concrete plans for institutions that do things like mail delivery, food protection, energy grid repair, aviation administration, infrastructure repair etc...

Otherwise you will have the anarchy of the aforementioned countries that breeds violence, poverty and despair.

 

[Sorry.]

Oh boy, I will try to keep your age in mind. You know the nation state does some cool stuff as well. Under the nation state water is kept clean, mail is delivered, roads are paved and laws are enforced by police. None of this was happening in Somalia and Afghanistan at different times in the past 10 years. That is why the countries suffered such misery. This is what happens in the absense of a nation state.

As stated below - water is kept clean by the people who work at the processing plants. Mail is delivered by postmen, roads are paved by road workers and laws are enforced by policemen. All of whom are people, not nation states. The nation state is merely a means of organising people and as it turns out a fairly recent invention. The centralised bureaucratic state (like capitalism) has existed in its present form for only between 200 to 300 years. It is not the only way to run things.

 

[Sorry.]

We'll run London, New York, Mumbai, by a system that is apparently adequate for some mexican farmers.

Jeez, it was a touch in cheek remark for god's sake.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And nano, regarding those stats on murders. They don't tell the full story. Nearly all murders in Thailand are carried out at the behest of politicians and/or the military. Thugs are hired to kill off people, nearly always due to a business dispute, or simply a loss of face. Random killings are most rare. Keep your head clean in life, and you have no fear of being attacked.

This county is a million times safer than britain.

Maybe if you're an expat.


Despite the improvements mentioned previously, human rights violations continue to be committed by the police and military. These include an increasing number of extrajudicial executions, refoulement of refugees, and the continued detention of refugees and asylum seekers in poor conditions, sometimes amounting to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.See footnote 4 The imposition of the death penalty for a wide variety of crimes is also a concern. There is a widespread belief among the public that the police operate with impunity, and people who investigate its abuses have been subject to intimidation and harassment. Corruption among the police is common, and reportedly includes large scale bribe taking. In July and August 1996 a university professor who had published findings on widespread police corruption received anonymous death threats and unsolicited "police protection".

http://www.tc.unl.edu/enemeth/33900297.htm

 

[fela fan]

The police in thailand are very corrupt, as are the politicians, as are many in the military.

Well done for pointing out what i said in reply to nano.

I'm not an 'expat'. And i was talking for thais, not non-thais like myself especially.

And we all know what the US police are like don't we, particularly if you're black...

And we all know how corrupt US politicians are don't we.

What is your point?

 

[fela fan]

And whatever these state agents in thailand do within their own borders, it is a pinprick compared to the violence, death, destruction that the US exports.

It is the american way, to export death and destruction to millions of people in dozens of countries.

Sure other countries don't make things a bed of roses for their citizens, but only the US exports all this carnage.

 

[unenlightened]

humanity's lost, free your minds of the deception, its all a bunch of lies, the media is mass deception.....full of brain washing techniques, we are like puppets on a string, but we can stop the enslavement of our minds if we choose to, so all is not lost.

 

[Belushi]

humanity's lost, free your minds of the deception, its all a bunch of lies, the media is mass deception.....full of brain washing techniques, we are like puppets on a string, but we can stop the enslavement of our minds if we choose to, so all is not lost.

Good bumping!

 

[Belushi]

There's just one thing that bothers me. what is the singular of Sheeple?

 

[Shevek]

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