independence for Greenland?

[littlebabyjesus]

Denmark is the racist, exploitative devil they know.

Amalgamation with the US has loads of upside for Greenland

Name one. And please don't waffle about the military. The only country Greenland is threatened by militarily is the US itself.

 

[bcuster]

Yeah. Iceland seems to do ok without an army. It accepts a US presence, though. Fuckers won't leave anyone alone.

No, they really don't do ok. They've been involved in bloody fishing wars with the Anglo-Saxon barbarian pirates from your nation for decades

 

[klang]

Denmark is the racist, exploitative devil they know.

Amalgamation with the US has loads of upside for Greenland

Do you really believe that?
Can you name 3 of those loads of upsides?

 

[bcuster]

Name one. And please don't waffle about the military. The only country Greenland is threatened by militarily is the US itself.

Delusional. The Russian Navy poses no threat to Greenland?

Denmark wouldn't last a half hour in a sea battle with even the current rusted remnants of the Russian Navy

 

[bcuster]

Do you really believe that?
Can you name 3 of those loads of upsides?

Safety, security and free Amazon delivery...

 

[andysays]

The EU? Not a lot. It's not a member. Denmark? An annual subsidy. Healthcare, social security, that kind of shit.

This is not to say that Denmark does not have a shameful, racist record in Greenland. Like Canada, Australia, and other countries, it has a vile record of horrific practices such as forced adoptions dating back as recently as the 1970s. But that has changed for the better in recent decades and Greenland now has far greater autonomy.

The question here would be how much real autonomy a nominally 'Independent' Greenland would have. Quite possibly less than it has currently given the USA's ambitions. You can bet your arse that the US would invent an excuse to step in and save Greenlanders from ... imagined threat.

According to the link I posted above, that subsidy is due to be phased out, though it doesn't specify a time scale.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No, they really don't do ok. They've been involved in bloody fishing wars with the Anglo-Saxon barbarian exploiters from your nation for decades

You do know that the disputes between the UK and Iceland over fishing were not actual wars? And that Iceland won, despite not having an army?

Iceland really does do ok. High standard of living, very high health indices, low crime, peace. It's one of the less fucked-up places in the world.

 

[klang]

Safety, security and free Amazon delivery...

Dunno much about Amazon rates, but what sort of safety and security does the US state currently provide, and what's on offer for Greenland?

 

[PTK]

Well in a hyperthetical referendum in greenland on the issue they would have to decide on their priorities. I think the usa does already have a base in greenland (which is probably useful the usa as well as greenland and denmark).

If I recall correctly, the USA lost a termonuclear bomb in Greenland in the 1960s, and three other bombs were destroyed, contaminating the area with highly radioactive substances.

 

[bcuster]

You do know that the disputes between the UK and Iceland over fishing were not actual wars? And that Iceland won, despite not having an army?

Your statement is laughable

Cod Wars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iceland won nothing

 

[bcuster]

If I recall correctly, the USA lost a termonuclear bomb in Greenland in the 1960s, and three other bombs were destroyed, contaminating the area with highly radioactive substances.

Do you think that was done on purpose?

 

[moochedit]

If I recall correctly, the USA lost a termonuclear bomb in Greenland in the 1960s, and three other bombs were destroyed, contaminating the area with highly radioactive substances.

Yeah i read that the other day. Might have been on here somewhere.

 

[prunus]

You do know that the disputes between the UK and Iceland over fishing were not actual wars? And that Iceland won, despite not having an army?

Iceland really does do ok. High standard of living, very high health indices, low crime, peace. It's one of the less fucked-up places in the world.

Yeah, it wasn’t a real war, it was just a cod war.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Your statement is laughable

Cod Wars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Iceland won nothing

um, final sentence of the opening paragraph from your link:

Each of the disputes ended with an Icelandic victory.

 

[PTK]

You do know that the disputes between the UK and Iceland over fishing were not actual wars? And that Iceland won, despite not having an army?

Iceland really does do ok. High standard of living, very high health indices, low crime, peace. It's one of the less fucked-up places in the world.

So, my Dad was lying when he told me that he had been an Icelandic Prisoner-of-War camp all those years?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Dunno much about Amazon rates, but what sort of safety and security does the US state currently provide, and what's on offer for Greenland?

Think of them like the mafia. Protection racket. Agree to be controlled by us and we won't invade you.

 

[bcuster]

um, final sentence of the opening paragraph from your link:

Tell me what Iceland won

 

[andysays]

Safety, security

Have you watched the news recently? The US can't reliably provide safety and security for its existing citizens. That's not going to win you many votes in Nuuk.

and free Amazon delivery...

 

[PTK]

Do you think that was done on purpose?

No, but if they did not have their filthy imperialist base there, that would not have happened. The US was endangering Greenland, not protecting it.

 

[bcuster]

Think of them like the mafia. Protection racket. Agree to be controlled by us and we won't invade you.

That's funny coming from the nation that produced Cornwallis

 

[klang]

Think of them like the mafia. Protection racket. Agree to be controlled by us and we won't invade you.

They might send a severed finger free with Amazon

 

[PTK]

Tell me what Iceland won

A 250-mile fishing limit. British fishing ships were exclded from that zone, leading to many fisherman being out of work.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Tell me what Iceland won

Protected fishing rights. You've not read your own link, have you?

 

[moochedit]

Tell me what Iceland won

Fishing rights in its waters unless i'm missing something? (I'm too young to remember the "cod wars")

 

[bcuster]

No, but if they did not have their filthy imperialist base there, that would not have happened. The US was endangering Greenland, not protecting it.

There was a whole different attitude about things like this during the Cold War

 

[andysays]

Tell me what Iceland won

From your link

In a NATO-brokered agreement in 1976, the United Kingdom accepted Iceland's establishment of a 12-nautical-mile (22 km) exclusive zone around its shores and a 200-nautical-mile (370-kilometre) Icelandic fishery zone where other nations' fishing fleets needed Iceland's permission. The agreement brought to an end more than 500 years of unrestricted British fishing in these waters and, as a result, British fishing communities were devastated, with thousands of jobs lost

 

[bcuster]

Protected fishing rights. You've not read your own link, have you?

In other words, an injunction?

 

[bcuster]

From your link

Every nation with a seacoast has this. This is a victory?

 

[PTK]

There was a whole different attitude about things like this during the Cold War

No, the people of Greenland did not want the US base at Thule, and the positioning of US nuclear weapons there was contrary to Danish law.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're not covering yourself in glory here, bcuster.