independence for Greenland?

[Saul Goodman]

And Denmark is better?

Yes

 

[bcuster]

Yes

No, they aren't. Denmark's recent history is marred by white supremacist groups with deep sympathy towards fascism




Frankly, Denmark is not worthy of Greenland

 

[andysays]

No, they aren't. Denmark's recent history is marred by white supremacist groups with deep sympathy towards fascism

Whereas the US is currently marred by white supremacist groups and a newly elected President with deep sympathy towards fascism

 

[bcuster]

Whereas the US's present is marred by...

If the Greenlanders join the US, it'll be by their own choice
Not involuntarily bound to a white, racist nation by the conquest of the Viking sword...

 

[bcuster]

Whereas the US is currently marred by white supremacist groups and a newly elected President with deep sympathy towards fascism

He won't be around for long. Unlike King Fredi's offspring

 

[andysays]

If the Greenlanders join the US, it'll be by their own choice
Not involuntarily bound to a white, racist nation by the conquest of the Viking sword...

Sure, I'm not arguing in favour of Greenland retaining its colonial connections to Denmark, I just can't see them giving up one colonial master only to jump into the arms of another.

You and others might be interested in this, much of which was news to me.

2008 Greenlandic self-government referendum​

 

[andysays]

He won't be around for long. Unlike King Fredi's offspring

No one posting here is a fan of the Danish monarchy, except perhaps Boris Sprinkler

 

[bcuster]

Sure, I'm not arguing in favour of Greenland retaining its colonial connections to Denmark, I just can't see them giving up one colonial master only to jump into the arms of another.

You and others might be interested in this, much of which was news to me.

2008 Greenlandic self-government referendum​

That is excellent! Thank you for posting it. I definitely learned a lot

No group is more interested in, and will do so more greedily, in exploiting Greenland than Denmark & the EU...

 

[Saul Goodman]

Frankly, Denmark is not worthy of Greenland

What makes you think Greenlanders would be stupid enough to vote to throw away what they have and jump into bed with the tangerine clown?

 

[moochedit]

If you would explain that, I'd be greatly appreciative

My understanding is that Greenland is independent and autonomous, and only remains voluntarily within the " Danish Commonwealth"
Are you saying Greenland would need Denmark's "permission" to become a territory of USA?

I think denmark still controls things like defense, foriegn policy and currency from what i read. Probably simalar to scotland in the uk. Edit - seen the wiki link now.

 

[bcuster]

What makes you think Greenlanders would be stupid enough to vote to throw away what they have and jump into bed with the tangerine clown?

trump is temporary.
Greenland's need for security is permanent

 

[moochedit]

I think after germany occupied denmark in ww2, the usa occupied greenland and uk occupied iceland (which was still danish at the time). Obviously handed back at the end.

 

[Saul Goodman]

trump is temporary.
Greenland's need for security is permanent

You mean America's need to milk the country and its inhabitants?

 

[moochedit]

trump is temporary.
Greenland's need for security is permanent

Maybe they would join the usa, maybe they wouldn't but it is greenlanders choice.

 

[bcuster]

Maybe they would join the usa, maybe they wouldn't but it is greenlanders choice.

100 per cent agree

 

[moochedit]

You mean America's need to milk the country and its inhabitants?

I think it has oil?

 

[bcuster]

You mean America's need to milk the country and its inhabitants?

Trade security for a share of the nation's natural wealth

What does Denmark & the EU offer Greenland?

 

[bcuster]

I think it has oil?

maybe

 

[moochedit]

Trade security for a share of the nation's natural wealth

What does Denmark & the EU offer Greenland?

One thing i can think of is, I don't know what denmarks healthcare system is like but i suspect its better than americas. Then again i don't know if they have access to it.

 

[Saul Goodman]

One thing i can think of is, I don't know what denmarks healthcare system is like but i suspect its better than americas. Then again i don't know if they have access to it.

If they had access to a free "band aid" it'd be better than America's healthcare system.

 

[moochedit]

They do have free healthcare.
It does have problems though which is not unexpected in a remote place with a low population.

https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/health-service-greenland

Health in Greenland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bcuster]

If they had access to a free "band aid" it'd be better than America's healthcare system.

What about access to the protection of the US Navy?, as opposed to, for instance, the Danish puddle patrol force?

 

[Tankus]

Low population, low cost of bribery.

 

[Humberto]

trump is temporary.
Greenland's need for security is permanent

Fascism might be unappealing to Greenland. Unless their 'choice' is massaged through compliant media and presented as a security issue.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Trade security for a share of the nation's natural wealth

What does Denmark & the EU offer Greenland?

The EU? Not a lot. It's not a member. Denmark? An annual subsidy. Healthcare, social security, that kind of shit.

This is not to say that Denmark does not have a shameful, racist record in Greenland. Like Canada, Australia, and other countries, it has a vile record of horrific practices such as forced adoptions dating back as recently as the 1970s. But that has changed for the better in recent decades and Greenland now has far greater autonomy.

The question here would be how much real autonomy a nominally 'Independent' Greenland would have. Quite possibly less than it has currently given the USA's ambitions. You can bet your arse that the US would invent an excuse to step in and save Greenlanders from ... imagined threat.

 

[moochedit]

What about access to the protection of the US Navy?, as opposed to, for instance, the Danish puddle patrol force?

Well in a hyperthetical referendum in greenland on the issue they would have to decide on their priorities. I think the usa does already have a base in greenland (which is probably useful the usa as well as greenland and denmark).

 

[PTK]

What about access to the protection of the US Navy?, as opposed to, for instance, the Danish puddle patrol force?

Right, yes, Greenland is a prime target for the rest of the world. Perhaps it ought to have its own nuclear programme, given that there are so many states (other than the USA) that are threatening to invade it. Or perhaps it should ally with the People's Republic of China.

 

[bcuster]

The EU? Not a lot. It's not a member. Denmark? An annual subsidy. Healthcare, social security, that kind of shit.

This is not to say that Denmark does not have a shameful, racist record in Greenland. Like Canada, Australia, and other countries, it has a vile record of horrific practices such as forced adoptions dating back as recently as the 1970s. But that has changed for the better in recent decades and Greenland now has far greater autonomy.

The question here would be how much real autonomy a nominally 'Independent' Greenland would have. Quite possibly less than it has currently given the USA's ambitions.

Denmark is the racist, exploitative devil they know.

Amalgamation with the US has loads of upside for Greenland

 

[bcuster]

Right, yes, Greenland is a prime target for the rest of the world. Perhaps it ought to have its own nuclear programme, given that there are so many states (other than the USA) that are threatening to invade it. Or perhaps it should ally with the People's Republic of China.

or they could make a much more rational, thoughtful choice than the darkly comedic options you offer the Greenlanders

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah. Iceland seems to do ok without an army. It accepts a US presence, though. Fuckers won't leave anyone alone.