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the neoliberal vision of the future

This thread was one of our better moments as an interweb community. We all united together in the great cause of tearing Onar An a new one.
 
brogdale said:
Saw this on twitter...hence bump...thought it might provoke some discussion...

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You'd need to produce the same graphs from surveys taken at 10 year internvals to correct for chainging opinions over a person's lifetime. Who's to say that we don't become more convinced of the need for democracy as we get older?
 
Raheem said:
Do you know what sort of question was asked? (e.g. "pick any three of the following", "on a scale of one to five...")
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No I don't know anything of the methodology; sorry.
Bit of a half-arsed post really.
Just thought the graphs were an interesting expression of the incompatibility of (neoliberal) globalised capital and democracy...the younger cohort having only ever lived in the era of nations in markets...whilst their (grand)parents would recall markets within nations.
 
Crispy said:
You'd need to produce the same graphs from surveys taken at 10 year internvals to correct for chainging opinions over a person's lifetime. Who's to say that we don't become more convinced of the need for democracy as we get older?
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That would be interesting as a longitudinal, but assuming the sampling took place over a short time period, the graphs do offer an interesting snapshot of attitudes by generation.
 
butchersapron said:
On the most basic level, their future vision isn't that much different from the current one - for them at least - just one with an intensification and deepening of current trends/plans. So basically, a continuing downward shift in the labour share of the national income (achieved by intensive and extensive methods - higher productivity at lower wages and longer working day (or two jobs) at lower wages. That's the fundamental thing that their model is based on.

On top of that there an associated shift of the cost of social expenditure onto labour as well, whilst redirecting that social spending onto projects that support the first fundamental aim - state spending to be offload costs that historically came to be viewed as parts of capitals obligations - health, education, infrastructure etc - merit goods to be turned into private profit if you like.

And then, to achieve all this they need to destroy the way that people organise collectively - this is to be done by the above constructing 'human nature' itself - famous Thatcher quote:
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Quite good for you!
If indeed there is a "you".
 
Brownglass said:
So is anarchism a "democracy"?
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Using the indefinite article makes that question a bit surreal. When people say "a democracy", they normally mean a nation state which practices [parliamentary, representative] democracy. Anarchism, on the other hand, is a set of principles, not a nation state.

But other than that, yes, what 8ball said.
 
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