rekil
to menny cranks
She got a rather nice education courtesy of communism as well.
the neoliberal vision of the future
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Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
But he's arguing that people like him shouldn't get any support from the state.
How is he proposing to survive when he has abolished the welfare functions of the state?
Johnny Canuck3
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Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
He wants a Randian state, where the only government service are military, police and criminal justice. No welfare, privately purchased everything.
Johnny Canuck3
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SpineyNorman
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Ok Johnny, maybe calling you a troll was a bit out of order (by troll I meant posting things you knew to be untrue to get a reaction - now I realise that you didn't know about his views on welfare so I apologise). But surely it's clear that we're not having a go at him for being disabled or even for claiming benefits (benefits he would deny to others given the chance) - it's the fact that he claims that welfare is inherently evil (fascist even) that it is, essentially, the welfare recipient using the state to take money off wealth creators at gun point, yet commits this "crime" himself. Can you not see the hypocrisy of someone espousing these views yet still claiming benefits? PS: he said that any kind of welfare provision is fascist, that it is essentially theft.
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gaslit at scale.
If he had his way, disabled people would have no means at all to make a living (well, depending on the disability I suppose).
For onanist and his ilk, all the state does is provide cops and hire mercs, many disabled people would be dependant on charity, I wonder how he'd like living off that.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
They turned to cannibalism to survive. If after the war, they said that surviving was wrong, then yes I would call them hypocrits.
Your question deserves my answer.
Crystal ball was right – here I am
So both disliking cannibalism and tax-funded disability-welfare is ok? Has that been established? Its actually possible to be against something that you benefit from?
Welfare is not inherently evil – its the way the state finance it thats inherently evil. If someone wants to donate a lot of money for welfare - thats just great. The problem occurs when the state tries to remove natures coercion that forces you to eat and keep warm by applying majority-coercion to make the minority pay for other people. Taking away a natural evil(if you can call it that) and replace it with man-made evil. Yes – we acknowledge that some people are not capable of taking care of themselves and we would very much like to help them. But we strongly oppose being coerced into “helping”. No evil men ever looked at themselves as evil – they all thought they were doing great things for others, while coercing left and right. When all the tyrants of the world hurt and kill, they all do it in the name of good. If socialism is so great, why arent everybody coming along joyfully?
What kind of coercion is inherently good and what kind is inherently evil? What is the essential difference between this and that type of threats, coercion and violence? Long time ago in Egypt they didnt think it was wrong building great pyramids with the use of slave-labour, it was perfectly natural. The slaves probably saw it different. Today its perfectly natural for some people to force others to work for something obscure called the welfare-state that spends 10 times what it costs to help the needy. Its built into the socialist-system that those who promise the most will get the most votes. So the spending will always increase. Socialist-Utopia can never be reached – but unfortunately, that will not stop them from trying. There is no end to peoples needs and therefore there is no end on the limit of taxation.
Us taking as much welfare from the state to help sink it is self-defence. We want the coercion to stop and will gladly take back what has been stolen from us at gunpoint. No hypocrisy in aiding in the destruction of the enemy
What we do not understand is how one group of people can own another group of people?
To simply deny to even try to look for peaceful solutions means you are a violence-romantic. Violence is in your nature as the most natural thing. I dont have this – where does it come from?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Why have you re registered with a different name Onar Am?
Could have tried to change his posting style.
SpineyNorman
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Crystal ball was right – here I am
I don't think I'll be challenging Nostradamus for his crown any time soon - you're nothing if not predictable.
Wouldn't a principled truth telling, peace loving libertarian refuse to benefit from welfare payments that are funded in this "evil" way? Kind of makes you complicit.
Right back at you - why is coercion by capital better than coercion by the state?
Of course dear. That's why in the "socialist" UK we have just elected a government that stood on a platform of massive cuts, a government that is bent on destroying what is left of the welfare state.
LOL who put a gun to your head and when? What did they steal? Your sanity?
No hypocrisy in aiding in the destruction of the enemy
Pillock. By accepting welfare payments you give the "enemy" legitimacy - they can use your acceptance of these payments to engage in further coercion - "if you don't pay your taxes the white supremacist nut job doesn't get his payments and starves" you're not destroying them, you're making it so they need to "coerce" even more money off freedom loving entrepreneurs.
It's called capitalism - the capitalist buys your labour power and then owns you for the extent of the working day. You can't vote your boss out of a job.
Who has done this then, soft lad? We're not the ones justifying Pinochet's crimes against humanity in the name of "anti-socialism". We're not the ones claiming that it's perfectly OK for the US to murder the citizens of a country because they had the cheek to elect the "wrong" government in free and fair elections.
My arse - your love of Pinochet tells me otherwise. But ultimately violence is a natural thing - ultimately it's the source of all power - you know this - that's why you want police and armed forces in your "free" state. A state that looks to me to be anything but free if you're human - but totally free for capital. Putting the "freedom" of abstract representations of wealth above the freedom of humans is the act of a sociopath.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It may or may not be onarchy but it's certainly a duplicate account.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
He's not even pretended to be anyone else- I think he is not aware of the proscription on duplicate accounts:
is pretty clear.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Sindre Rudshaug said:
Were the Great Pyramids built using slave labour? It's well known today that slave labour was not used to build the Great Pyramids. Do you have any research more recent than Herodotus to base your labour myths on?
It might be a good idea for you to tell us all the reason why you are using a well-known myth to support your argument!
The reality is different. Read more here: http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sindre's blog certainly has a highly coincidental number of thematic similarities to what was discussed with Onar. Mind you, this could just be because Sindre is similarly obsessed. She does actually reference Onar, so I'd conclude that some shared obsessions are the order of the day, especially wrt Islam.
Google translation of yesterday's blog entry.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
wait- now I'm really confused.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Either it's his mum, or he has invented a whole other blog so that he can reference himself on it.
I've got a vision of a whole village full of Onar Ams now. I'm scared.
SpineyNorman
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a novel twist – what that post is effectively saying is that Onar Am is being supported by the state because he has no choice. He'd far rather have no automatic right to support but be supported instead by charity, but he doesn't have that option.
The world really is upside-down in his head.
The world really is upside-down in his head.
SpineyNorman
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But doesn't charity require altruism? That's moral barbarism isn't it?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Perhaps he hasn't thought this through. 
In fact, given how much time he seems to have dedicated to this, there really are a lot of glaring holes. Come on Onar. Poor show.
In fact, given how much time he seems to have dedicated to this, there really are a lot of glaring holes. Come on Onar. Poor show.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Sindre Rudshaug > Male/Oslo/Norway > 4 Freedoms > Alan Lake > ICLA > European Defence Leagues
Onar Am links into the extreme rightwing Counterjihad Europa movement (PDF), as launched & supported by the ICLA (Gaffney/Brim's CSP project CVF which recently relaunched as ICLA). It would not surprise me if there are more direct links to those who head-up the Norwegian 'Defence League'.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I feel pretty shit for ever having debated with him, tbh. On reflection, I think there is no place for debates with his kind on here. All they do is come out with a barrage of dodgy 'facts'. It's brain poison.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Sindre Rudshaug is part of Alan Lake's 4 Freedoms network - a network of international extreme rightwing Islamophobes who are in part guided by and in part directly working with the Gaffney/Brim Center for Security Policy's project's International Civil Liberties Alliance. The ICLA runs the Counterjihad Europa project. It's like a child's stacking toy - each project runs another project.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Just to be clear, it was a duplicate for one of the Onar-supporting accounts that popped up a way back in this thread.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Ah ok, so a *different* mulsamic raygun theorist?
Probably ...
Probably ...
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Definitely. Definitely one of those concealed counterjihad blogger sources that I mentioned earlier in the thread (17th April). I must have a nose for the counterjihad stench. I've done enough research on these extreme-right fuckwits over the last year.
SpineyNorman
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It's not the ray gun fancier who had rape images on his/her blog is it?
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