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Look, if you'd like to summon the apparition at all then just start a new thread, chant his name three times in a mirror and he shall appear. That's what I did, and it worked.:)
 
Don't worry. Most "far-right libertarians" prefer to beat themselves off. :)

One thing that I've also noticed is the number of right libertarians who say that they think of themselves as "classical liberals"....as if it makes a lot of difference. They're still Social Darwinists whatever they call themselves.
 
I notice you didn't change the c to a k in comment. No klass. That's your problem.

Although I am seriously considering keeping it as my signature. In the great Urban circus I would much rather be a clown than one of the freakshows....

You don't get to choose.

Louis MacNeice
 
talking of fash, the last day or two i went back to a website i'd actually helped start in my teens for the purpose of debating racists - before it all went downhill. fuck i wish i hadn't. it just reminds me of what a soul destroying experience any kind of interaction with online hardcore nazis actually is.
 
So you don't have one then. Trolling it is. Glad we cleared that up. Of course, if you're not trolling or attention seeking it would be easy to reiterate this "point" that I appear to have missed.
 
talking of fash, the last day or two i went back to a website i'd actually helped start in my teens for the purpose of debating racists - before it all went downhill. fuck i wish i hadn't. it just reminds me of what a soul destroying experience any kind of interaction with online hardcore nazis actually is.

I went through a phase of trying to reason with them on Stormfront for a bit, as you say, totally soul destroying. In fact I was in danger of turning all Martin Smith - spending so long talking with them kind of made any kind of patriotism, no matter how benign, seem like fascism to me. Found myself getting suspicious of anyone in an England shirt - really daft stuff. It's amazing what talking to those nutters can do to you.
 
So you don't have one then. Trolling it is. Glad we cleared that up. Of course, if you're not trolling or attention seeking it would be easy to reiterate this "point" that I appear to have missed.

I didn't say you missed it. I said that you were evading it.
 
I went through a phase of trying to reason with them on Stormfront for a bit, as you say, totally soul destroying. In fact I was in danger of turning all Martin Smith - spending so long talking with them kind of made any kind of patriotism, no matter how benign, seem like fascism to me. Found myself getting suspicious of anyone in an England shirt - really daft stuff. It's amazing what talking to those nutters can do to you.

yep, it really distorts your idea of reality, makes you really hypersensitive. and you find yourself starting to wonder if your wrong and if there arguments have any merit. going around wondering whats in peoples heads and whether it's really true and some people's iq could really be 30 points lower etc etc etc. really not good for the mental health - amazingly bad in fact.
 
It's all about that circular logic. If you're not careful to demand solidly triangulated evidence and clear-cut concepts the sheer fucking barrage of loopy pseudo-facts and half-truths wears your senses down.
 
A useful analogy, I find, is that of a denial of service attack.

In a DoS attack the server takes time to figure out what to do with each deliberately broken packet sent to it. Send enough broken packets, which are easily and cheaply generated by a botnet, and the server becomes unavailable.

Similarly it takes the human equivalent of such a bot much less time and effort to copy and paste shite from some wingnut welfare site than it does to carefully demonstrate the flawed logic and misrepresented facts contained in that shite.
 
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