"The British people expressed their view very clearly on 23rd June"

[danny la rouge]

There is a forum for theory, maybe you could make a little area there for people that agree with each other and discuss minutiae of political differences.

It's a forum where people who back up their claims are taken seriously and those who don't aren't. You're very much the latter.

You've made a claim. Back it up.

 

[B.I.G]

It's a forum where people who back up their claims are taken seriously and those who don't aren't. You're very much the latter.

You've made a claim. Back it up.

I got referred to in a post out of the blue. Nothing to do with me!

 

[Pickman's model]

I got referred to in a post out of the blue. Nothing to do with me!

Going back a few posts, who do you mean by the hard right if not ukip?

 

[danny la rouge]

I got referred to in a post out of the blue. Nothing to do with me!

Don't squirm. You made a claim about "what you've learned" on here. Back it up.

 

[B.I.G]

Don't squirm. You made a claim about "what you've learned" on here. Back it up.

Oh that! You've been reading my posts and the replies, no? I got told it more than enough!

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh that! You've been reading my posts and the replies, no? I got told it more than enough!

By who?

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't squirm. You made a claim about "what you've learned" on here. Back it up.

Squirming's all yer man's got left

 

[danny la rouge]

Oh that! You've been reading my posts and the replies, no? I got told it more than enough!

Links.

 

[B.I.G]

Links.

If you don't think I got told it, I don't care about proving it to you.

 

[danny la rouge]

If you don't think I got told it, I don't care about proving it to you.

Stop it. You made a claim. Back it up.

 

[B.I.G]

Stop it. You made a claim. Back it up.

Are you in a playground? I said that things have been said to me on here, you want to see what has been said then, you read through my posts and replies.

 

[chilango]

More classic urban. Repeatedly been told there are "economic" factors for people voting UKIP.

There are.

That's not the same as what you claim above though is it?

 

[chilango]

Economic factors = poor.

UKIP = right wing.

Neither of those is the whole truth though, is it?

 

[Pickman's model]

Stop it. You made a claim. Back it up.

Neither of those is the whole truth though, is it?

Don't waste your time with the twat

 

[B.I.G]

Neither of those is the whole truth though, is it?

It's never the whole truth in a short sentence or two. But its closer to the truth than the working class aren't voting UKIP because they are racist, or leaving the EU will lead to a fairer society closer to left wing beliefs.

 

[chilango]

It's never the whole truth in a short sentence or two. But its closer to the truth than the working class aren't voting UKIP because they are racist, or leaving the EU will lead to a fairer society closer to left wing beliefs.

Nobody is saying any of these things though. Are they?

 

[B.I.G]

Nobody is saying any of these things though. Are they?

I think they are. Sadly.

 

[chilango]

I think they are. Sadly.

Again, some links or quotes would be helpful here.

 

[danny la rouge]

Are you in a playground? I said that things have been said to me on here, you want to see what has been said then, you read through my posts and replies.

That's not how it works. You make a claim, you provide the evidence for the claim. Then we can judge whether we think you've drawn the correct conclusion from the evidence. That's what's expected of anyone.

As for "playground" level debate, that's what you're reducing this forum to by refusing to stand up your claim. This isn't about you having a different opinion, this is about you making a specific claim about the posters here but not having the decency to be precise about it.

As chilango correctly said, you've misinterpreted what's been said to you. Given your reluctance to back up your claim, it seems likely that was entirely deliberate.

Why should anyone bother with someone who does that?

 

[danny la rouge]

I think they are. Sadly.

So show us where.

This isn't hard. If it's been said, show us.

 

[B.I.G]

So show us where.

This isn't hard. If it's been said, show us.

Its not hard to read the forum.

 

[B.I.G]

Again, some links or quotes would be helpful here.

They would be but I'm not going to provide them. If you dont agree think those arguments have been made, its fine with me.

Either, you have seen them make different arguments or no arguments at all. Both are fine with me. Not trying to convince anyone.

 

[danny la rouge]

Its not hard to read the forum.

So that's it? No link?

I've never seen anyone say to you what you claim. I haven't read everything ever posted, so I have given you every opportunity to show me different. You have steadfastly refused to, so I'm left with no option but to conclude you are lying.

If you were just mistaken you'd have linked to something and we could have pointed out what you've misinterpreted and cleared up the confusion.

But it looks to me like you're just lying to cause trouble.

Why should anyone bother with you? (That's rhetorical: they shouldn't, and I hope they don't).

 

[B.I.G]

So that's it? No link?

I've never seen anyone say to you what you claim. I haven't read everything ever posted, so I have given you every opportunity to show me different. You have steadfastly refused to, so I'm left with no option but to conclude you are lying.

If you were just mistaken you'd have linked to something and we could have pointed out what you've misinterpreted and cleared up the confusion.

But it looks to me like you're just lying to cause trouble.

Why should anyone bother with you? (That's rhetorical: they shouldn't, and I hope they don't).

People have written things on this very forum. If you haven't seen them don't blame me. I don't blame others if I haven't read the books to which they are referring.

 

[chilango]

Tedious. Sorry B.I.G but this is just disruptive at this point . I'm gonna have to hit the "ignore" button now. You've joined a very short list. Congrats.

 

[danny la rouge]

People have written things on this very forum. If you haven't seen them don't blame me.

Show some dignity at least.

 

[newbie]

Which of the people quoted in that piece. Only a single one identifies as a racist.

Zoe's comment is certainly pretty crude stereotyping, it could be racist. Is that it? Is she a racist? Is that how racism works, you're either a racist or a non-racist?

That's what I'm asking you. You're then one claiming these people are racists.

except for the other one

“I’m racist, I don’t mind saying that,” says Linda, who works as a cleaner. “The Muslims, it’s a problem. That wall that Donald Trump is building – the Chinese built one centuries ago to keep people out and it worked. We need one over here. We could do with a Trump over here.”

They're addressed to you.

yes I know, I'm white and male. I'm asking about the people it's not addressed to.

I'm sorry but this is utter bullshit. I've argued none of these things. This is precisely the type of crap that is poisoning P&P. You've dressed it up more nicely but actually your post contains a lot of the same shit as B.I.Gs crap.

you've made blanket statements on this thread "it's about labour finding new paths and directions and 'socialists' getting on board and helping to fight for those new directions." and then "Labour won't open any new paths, labour (i.e. the working class, the proletariat, whatever your preferred term is) is the actor and we should follow that." (my emphasis) I'm asking you how you choose which political currents within the working class to follow and where your limits are with regard to views on racial (and other forms of) discrimination that aren't the same as your own.

 

[maomao]

People have written things on this very forum. If you haven't seen them don't blame me. I don't blame others if I haven't read the books to which they are referring.

We all read this forum as often and as much as you do. We don't recognise your description of things that have been said to you. This is why we're asking for proof. If these things had actually been said to you it would take you less time to provide a link than you have spent telling everyone to look for it themselves.

 

[B.I.G]

We all read this forum as often and as much as you do. We don't recognise your description of things that have been said to you. This is why we're asking for proof. If these things had actually been said to you it would take you less time to provide a link than you have spent telling everyone to look for it themselves.

You are safe in your belief. I don't want to change your mind.

 

[maomao]

Ignore then