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[Yossarian]

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The government's probably already got some kind of "British Food for British People" campaign in the works - after all, who would complain about food shortages when there's plenty of tasty peas and carrots around? Snooty North London elites who say they can't bear to be without their fancy foreign "tomatoes," that's who.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yay! Lobster for all.

 

[TopCat]

Apologies if this article was linked to earlier up , but you're getting quite close to Owen Jones' argument there :





Mandelson FFS!!

Not often that cunt Mandelson has self awareness.

 

[Raheem]

Yay! Lobster for all.

We need a break-off claws.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wait - this catastrophic fuck up is somehow the remainers fault?

Absolutely fucking priceless.

yes, the man who decided to call the referendum was a remainer and he called it in the hubristic belief that the result would be remain: then he scuttled off, tail between his legs

 

[Pickman's model]

The government's probably already got some kind of "British Food for British People" campaign in the works - after all, who would complain about food shortages when there's plenty of tasty peas and carrots around? Snooty North London elites who say they can't bear to be without their fancy foreign "tomatoes," that's who.

cue 'forage for britain' campaign

 

[William of Walworth]

Wait - this catastrophic fuck up is somehow the remainers fault?

Absolutely fucking priceless.

In terms of tactical failures at least (post-2016 in particular), I think Owen Jone's article (I linked to it just above your post) has some merit.

 

[editor]

yes, the man who decided to call the referendum was a remainer and he called it in the hubristic belief that the result would be remain: then he scuttled off, tail between his legs

And the people who voted for it?

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm more or less 'new' to this thread -- it's grown over 30 pages since I was last on it. I'm probably going to have to stick around, with all that's going on just now

Just on a need-to-know basis , and to get additional perspectives than Guardian/BBC ones ....

But one thing a lot of former remain voters and former Brexit voters can surely agree on is that Brexit is fucking boring .....

 

[Flavour]

I wonder if we'll see an expansion in the British wine industry -- given the enormous levels of consumption I don't think it's realistic to imagine the UK being able to supply its domestic demand for wine for at least a decade, but I do anticipate it will become more and more normal to see it, buy it, drink it.

 

[Yossarian]

Yay! Lobster for all.

"With full control of British waters, there will be a Victory Lobster available once a year for a full sixth of the population!"

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I wonder if we'll see an expansion in the British wine industry -- given the enormous levels of consumption I don't think it's realistic to imagine the UK being able to supply its domestic demand for wine for at least a decade, but I do anticipate it will become more and more normal to see it, buy it, drink it.

I hope not. British wine is mostly really bad. The UK is the second biggest importer of wine in the world, just behind the US. No way it could ever supply domestic demand. There's a reason we developed a beer and cider culture.

 

[TopCat]

I wonder if we'll see an expansion in the British wine industry -- given the enormous levels of consumption I don't think it's realistic to imagine the UK being able to supply its domestic demand for wine for at least a decade, but I do anticipate it will become more and more normal to see it, buy it, drink it.

English white wine sells for a lot. The US love it. Very weather dependant though. Global warming will help.

 

[Pickman's model]

And the people who voted for it?

it was cameron's really stupid decision not to put a clause in the referendum bill saying 'this will take effect if the margin of victory is 60/40' or words to that effect. what we have descends from david cameron's fuckwitted decisions after the 2015 general election. as i'm sure i pointed out at the time, there was precedent for legislating after a 50/50 split on a 50% turnout in the referendum on welsh devolution. what we have stems from the way the referendum was designed more than from leave voters themselves given the narrow margin in the result. the leaflet delivered to every house in the country saying 'we will legislate on your decision' just put the icing on the cake. as it is divisions which needn't have existed are now a central part of british life. so blame people for taking part? no.

 

[TopCat]

I hope not. British wine is mostly really bad. The UK is the second biggest importer of wine in the world, just behind the US. No way it could ever supply domestic demand. There's a reason we developed a beer and cider culture.

Have you tried the white wines from the Dorking winery? They are really good. Not great volume mind.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Them lobsters are at the limit of sustainability now . I don’t think we are going to be able to have a feeding frenzy without about a decades moritorium

 

[William of Walworth]

There are some very good UK wines around nowadays, a couple of my wine-loving friends say.

But LBJ is also quite correct on beer and cider

 

[Pickman's model]

Have you tried the white wines from the Dorking winery? They are really good. Not great volume mind.

at least we'll be self-sufficient in scotch

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Have you tried the white wines from the Dorking winery? They are really good. Not great volume mind.

I haven't. I have bought a couple of sparkling whites before and they were hideously overpriced. Twenty quid for something that's no better than a cheap Prosecco. Warned off that now, tbh. Also tried some wine from Hampshire at a wine tasting once. It was a struggle to remain polite as the winemaker, who was a very nice man, explained all his processes to us. Quietly found a place to pour it away when he wasn't looking.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Them lobsters are at the limit of sustainability now . I don’t think we are going to be able to have a feeding frenzy without about a decades moritorium

Don't be so shellfish.

 

[Winot]

English white wine sells for a lot. The US love it. Very weather dependant though. Global warming will help.

English sparkling wine is as good as a lot of champagne. Unfortunately it is also as expensive as a lot of champagne.

 

[Artaxerxes]

If brexit gets us more mead that would be great though.

 

[William of Walworth]

I haven't. I have bought a couple of sparkling whites before and they were hideously overpriced. Twenty quid for something that's no better than a cheap Prosecco. Warned off that now, tbh. Also tried some wine from Hampshire at a wine tasting once. It was a struggle to remain polite as the winemaker, who was a very nice man, explained all his processes to us. Quietly found a place to pour it away when he wasn't looking.

How recent was this?
I'd be the very worst to judge wine quality, this ale-expert almost never drinks wine ...

But those who I know who know, are confident that quality -- of some UK wines at least --has improved a lot in recent years.

ETA : I get the point about price though, said friends would agree about that.

 

[Pickman's model]

If brexit gets us more mead that would be great though.

it's always mead mead mead with you

 

[kabbes]

littlebabyjesus you are definitely against the tide when you say that whites — especially sparkling whites— from the south east aren’t good. They are certainly more expensive than their equivalent quality wines from abroad but that’s a different matter. It’s a result of only being able to make low volume batches and needing to use expensive land. That price differential will shrink, though, if imports become more expensive post-Brexit.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How recent was this?
I'd be the very worst to judge wine quality, this ale-expert almost never drinks wine,, but those who I jknow who know, are confident that quality -- of some UK wines at least --has improved a lot in recent years.

The wine tasting was about six or seven years ago. The buys from the supermarket about the same time, perhaps a bit before. There was a vinyard close to where I grew up in Gwent. They sold the wine in the local supermarket, and it wasn't cheap - about a tenner iirc, and this was years ago. It was shite. We don't have the climate for it mostly, and trying to make wine in Wales seems a fool's errand to me.

 

[The39thStep]

Could be a revival of English apples

 

[Artaxerxes]

Could be a revival of English apples

Massive Cox everywhere

 

[Flavour]

I haven't. I have bought a couple of sparkling whites before and they were hideously overpriced. Twenty quid for something that's no better than a cheap Prosecco. Warned off that now, tbh. Also tried some wine from Hampshire at a wine tasting once. It was a struggle to remain polite as the winemaker, who was a very nice man, explained all his processes to us. Quietly found a place to pour it away when he wasn't looking.

It is absolutely fine to pour wine away at wine tastings, no winemaker would ever be offended by it, it's a completely normal thing and there are little spittoons and containers for you to pour unwanted wine away for just that very purpose.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It is absolutely fine to pour wine away at wine tastings, no winemaker would ever be offended by it, it's a completely normal thing and there are little spittoons and containers for you to pour unwanted wine away for just that very purpose.

I didn't really know that. It's the only one I've ever been to.