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[two sheds]

Not considered good form to throw up in them though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

littlebabyjesus you are definitely against the tide when you say that whites — especially sparkling whites— from the south east aren’t good. They are certainly more expensive than their equivalent quality wines from abroad but that’s a different matter. It’s a result of only being able to make low volume batches and needing to use expensive land. That price differential will shrink, though, if imports become more expensive post-Brexit.

I just haven't spent enough money then? All I can say is the ones I've tried were really disappointing. The price of a cheap Champagne, but not the quality. I like my sparkling wine bone dry, which might be part of the problem.

 

[William of Walworth]

The wine tasting was about six or seven years ago. The buys from the supermarket about the same time, perhaps a bit before. There was a vinyard close to where I grew up in Gwent. They sold the wine in the local supermarket, and it wasn't cheap - about a tenner iirc, and this was years ago. It was shite. We don't have the climate for it mostly, and trying to make wine in Wales seems a fool's errand to me.

I get the impression that better English ones tend to come more from SE England anyway, which makes sense weather-wise in increasing numbers of good summers.

The question would be about when we next get a totally shite (rainy, cold, muddy ) summer UK-wide -- we're well overdue one now...... what's the betting it would be this coming summer, or maybe more likely, 2022

 

[kabbes]

I just haven't spent enough money then? All I can say is the ones I've tried were really disappointing. The price of a cheap Champagne, but not the quality. I like my sparkling wine bone dry, which might be part of the problem.

I’m not surprised the Welsh ones weren’t good but I am a bit surprised that the Hampshire one wasn’t. Bolney Estate in Sussex and Denbies near Dorking are the ones with the best reputation, and that is for similar reasons that Hampshire should be good — climate and soil. The SE climate today is very similar to the Champagne region’s climate about 40-50 years ago. You need time too though, because vines take about 30-50 years to mature. Bolney and Denbies have been around long enough to get that.

Because I live very near Dorking, we get a lot of Denbies wines round here so I’m well used to them. You’ll pay about £17 for something of a kind of quality that you’d pay something like £14 for from France or £12 from California or New Zealand. It’s good but not the best value. I virtually never drink these days but when I did, I would often be willing to pay the extra money for the sake of supporting a local business, and given that we would rarely have more than one bottle between two of us at once anyway.

 

[Winot]

This is as good as most NV champagne

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[tendril]

Perhaps at the beginning there was an illusion of choice, but once the idea of leaving gained traction and was propagated so vociferously by leavers and the leave press, even that illusion has vanished.

I'll reiterate my point: no deal was always inevitable because that's what the hardcore leavers wanted all along. The moderate leavers were just scooped up in the wave and allowed to give us the idea that we may get a 'deal'.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Not considered good form to throw up in them though.

Not sure it's good form to get as drunk as we did, tbh. They're pretty good value as a night out if you drink as much as we did, but the whiskey at the end was a mistake.

 

[two sheds]

Banking on the spittoons being close were you?

 

[Pickman's model]

Perhaps at the beginning there was an illusion of choice, but once the idea of leaving gained traction and was propagated so vociferously by leavers and the leave press, even that illusion has vanished.

I'll reiterate my point: no deal was always inevitable because that's what the hardcore leavers wanted all along. The moderate leavers were just scooped up in the wave and allowed to give us the idea that we may get a 'deal'.

Yeh but all you have is a repeated insistence this was the case while I have pointed to several occasions from which a different result could have sprung.

 

[Gerry1time]

I think the French will demand Kent too.

 

[Raheem]

I think the French will demand Kent too.

And from then on it will be pronounced kœ̃nt.

 

[gosub]

Perhaps at the beginning there was an illusion of choice, but once the idea of leaving gained traction and was propagated so vociferously by leavers and the leave press, even that illusion has vanished.

I'll reiterate my point: no deal was always inevitable because that's what the hardcore leavers wanted all along. The moderate leavers were just scooped up in the wave and allowed to give us the idea that we may get a 'deal'.

I don't agree. But those hardcore leavers comfortable with no deal were equally abetted by 'pour encourage les autres' on the other side of the Channel. We will do a deal, at some stage, but it will be after some hard and unnecessary lessons. Or maybe they are The EUrophiles (I think) will probably talk of rejoining the EU. That would be a membership stripped of rebate and without opt out of the EUro and I don't think that will fly.

 

[Pickman's model]

And from then on it will be pronounced kœ̃nt.

Victoire

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't agree. But those hardcore leavers comfortable with no deal were equally abetted by 'pour encourage les autres' on the other side of the Channel. We will do a deal, at some stage, but it will be after some hard and unnecessary lessons. Or maybe they are The EUrophiles (I think) will probably talk of rejoining the EU. That would be a membership stripped of rebate and without opt out of the EUro and I don't think that will fly.

Depends how shit things get

 

[Yossarian]

And from then on it will be pronounced kœ̃nt.

I hope the British negotiators are canny enough not to arouse suspicions by agreeing too readily to hand over Kent.

 

[two sheds]

I can't see the EU letting us back in after this lot even if we asked nicely.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can't see the EU letting us back in after this lot even if we asked nicely.

We will be held up as an example of what not to do

 

[Raheem]

I hope the British negotiators are canny enough not to arouse suspicions by agreeing too readily to hand over Kent.

Such a thing as "too readily"?

 

[weltweit]

Does anyone know the tariffs of the WTO terms? I overheard on the radio that for cars they could be 10% while for food products they could be as much as 40% .. ?

 

[two sheds]

We will be held up as an example of what not to do

Naughty corner of Europe wearing a hat with a D on it.

 

[Pickman's model]

I hope the British negotiators are canny enough not to arouse suspicions by agreeing too readily to hand over Kent.

You're right, they'll um and er for five minutes before saying "should we say oui or ja?"

 

[Raheem]

Does anyone know the tariffs of the WTO terms? I overheard on the radio that for cars they could be 10% while for food products they could be as much as 40% .. ?

There are hundreds of different tariffs for different products. There is a table showing them somewhere on the internet.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are hundreds of different tariffs for different products. There is a table showing them somewhere on the internet.

The only thing you need to know about food is if it comes from Europe we can't afford it any more

 

[gosub]

I can't see the EU letting us back in after this lot even if we asked nicely.

There having enough headaches with their covid stimulus package as it is

 

[Winot]

Does anyone know the tariffs of the WTO terms? I overheard on the radio that for cars they could be 10% while for food products they could be as much as 40% .. ?

it’s insanely complicated. I once tried to look up what the tariff would be bringing an iPod back into the UK from the US (misplaced honesty). After wading through hundreds of pages of data tables I gave up.

But yes, that kind of range of 10-40% is right.

 

[weltweit]

In a previous incarnation we used to export 40% of our output, about 20% to the continent and 20% to the USA. The inside EU sales didn't attract extra costs but the US sales did. We found if we classified our products as ABC they attracted quite a high US tariff, but if we classified them as XYZ, which also seemed accurate, they attracted a much reduced cost, much to our importers great happiness as the tariff was payable by them at the point of arrival.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Have you tried the white wines from the Dorking winery? They are really good. Not great volume mind.

Try Albury wines, same hills as Denbies, my favourites wines in the world, white, red, rose and fizzy.

 

[sleaterkinney]

We will be held up as an example of what not to do

Pour encourager les autres

If the UK could leave with a good deal, what's to stop other countries?

 

[Pickman's model]

Pour encourager les autres

If the UK could leave with a good deal, what's to stop other countries?

if the uk with its auld etonian and oxbridge government couldn't negotiate a deal worth a gnat's fart...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

In a previous incarnation we used to export 40% of our output, about 20% to the continent and 20% to the USA. The inside EU sales didn't attract extra costs but the US sales did. We found if we classified our products as ABC they attracted quite a high US tariff, but if we classified them as XYZ, which also seemed accurate, they attracted a much reduced cost, much to our importers great happiness as the tariff was payable by them at the point of arrival.

It's almost like a common market was a good idea...