Have you ever tried to do anything involving EU regulators or authorities? Labyrinth is exactly the right word. They’ll happy just keep going without any end in sight unless you set hard deadlines.idk what you mean by the labryrinth.
Have you ever tried to do anything involving EU regulators or authorities? Labyrinth is exactly the right word. They’ll happy just keep going without any end in sight unless you set hard deadlines.idk what you mean by the labryrinth.
Not sure they're as calculating as that. Cummings' tactics never seemed to look beyond tomorrow's headlines. Not sure Johnson can even be said to have tactics of his own. He's always been clueless about the detail (not much of an Ideas man either, tbf), so why would he change now? And as you say, 'no deal' is really no such thing. It's a postponed deal with months of chaos as a prelude.idk what you mean by the labryrinth.
You think they always pretty much intended to get no deal and spend the next 50 years in boring never ending trade negotiations? i dont think that's likely, seems more like they expected johnny foreigner to roll over and do whatever Great Britain demands with their fish.
While I think you're right, the pandemic also provides a degree of cover. The brexit fiasco probably isn't the overriding current affairs issue for most people right now, while any punitive travel restrictions coming in on 1 Jan due to no deal won't be felt immediately because who's got foreign trips planned atm?Not extending the deadline was 100% appeasement of Brexit wing loons in the Tory party. And fuck the consequences.
IIRC its how Yanis Varoufakis described the attempts to negotiate with the EU - labyrinthine - though now i think about it I might have made it up!idk what you mean by the labryrinth.
IIRC its how Yanis Varoufakis described the attempts to negotiate with the EU - labyrinthine - though now i think about it I might have made it up!
I profoundly disagree. My opinion is that a no deal is exactly what the architects of brexit want so they can make a shite load of money off it. The people who voted for it, and then who further enabled it by voting the tories in, are completely irrelevant to the people engineering this no deal situation. They were used and now will be cast aside.my point was that the situation we find ourselves in now, for better or worse, was not inevitable.
yeh obvs they'll be cast aside. but my point is simply that all manner of other brexits could have happened and the path we happen to have taken from 23/6/16 to today was not the only one possible - things could have ended up rather differently if eg cameron hadn't run off, if the labour party had acted other than they did, if the election of 2017 (or 2019) had led to a different result.I profoundly disagree. My opinion is that a no deal is exactly what the architects of brexit want so they can make a shite load of money off it. The people who voted for it, and then who further enabled it by voting the tories in, are completely irrelevant to the people engineering this no deal situation. They were used and now will be cast aside.
yeh obvs they'll be cast aside. but my point is simply that all manner of other brexits could have happened and the path we happen to have taken from 23/6/16 to today was not the only one possible - things could have ended up rather differently if eg cameron hadn't run off, if the labour party had acted other than they did, if the election of 2017 (or 2019) had led to a different result.
I profoundly disagree. My opinion is that a no deal is exactly what the architects of brexit want so they can make a shite load of money off it. The people who voted for it, and then who further enabled it by voting the tories in, are completely irrelevant to the people engineering this no deal situation. They were used and now will be cast aside.
The big problem was squaring any kind of deal with the promises that were made and the fact it would be damaging - not the easiest deal in history or the sunlit uplands.
No deal and blaming the EU was the only way out.
The oven ready deal is sticking our heads in the stove abs turning on the gasAs of tomorrow the oven ready deal will have spent 365 days in checks notes the microwave at checks again gas mark four.
I profoundly disagree. My opinion is that a no deal is exactly what the architects of brexit want so they can make a shite load of money off it. The people who voted for it, and then who further enabled it by voting the tories in, are completely irrelevant to the people engineering this no deal situation. They were used and now will be cast aside.
Worth remembering the majority of leave voters were older wealthier toriesTo do this the people who voted for it are the people who are required to do the work
UK to deny asylum to refugees passing through 'safe' third country
Immigration rule will also prevent migrants from making a claim in UK territorial waterswww.theguardian.com
Perhaps, though I think the intention of the no-deal crowd is to make a shite load of money, but over the long term - imperil enough people in the UK with an economic collapse and they'll quite quickly get people working for 25% - 50% less than they are now, with similar declines in conditions, workplace rights etc as loads of people fight for jobs.
To do this the people who voted for it are the people who are required to do the work - or "make Britain competitive again" as they will doubt cry - and the government will probably spend the next election saying yes, Brexit was savage but look at all the jobs that have come here since, the working class is now working again, outside toilets are less prone to COVID etc etc ad infinitum. This is basically what Raab etc put in their little book of criticisms about a decade ago.
I have been involved with EU product standards, directives and CE marking, mainly in the electrical area. In my experience they made us up our game to continue supplying in the market. The standards improved our products, made them perform better, and made them safer.Have you ever tried to do anything involving EU regulators or authorities? Labyrinth is exactly the right word. They’ll happy just keep going without any end in sight unless you set hard deadlines.
I sincerely hope they change their minds. I forsee a groundswell to rejoin. Whether there will be the political appetite for it is another matter. If there is serious money to be made I reckon we will rejoin. But I predict a period of gross British poverty, both financially and politically before thenI wonder whether people who think that now will still think it in six months' time, and if not who they'll be shouting at/about then...
It is fair to say that this experience does not necessarily apply to all industries.I have been involved with EU product standards, directives and CE marking, mainly in the electrical area. In my experience they made us up our game to continue supplying in the market. The standards improved our products, made them perform better, and made them safer.
It bothers me UK Gov seems intent on creating "UKCA" standards, I would prefer to continue with EU standards.