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[Pickman's model]

Not at all.
What you wrote yesterday evening was a plain lie.
Now you're doubling down by inventing more stuff.
All and sundry is everybody.
Not that difficult to understand that term is it?
It really is amusing if you say that if something happens to you it happened to all and sundry.

Ah it hadn't on 4.3.18 yet happened to me

My turn came later

I am sure you recall the pm exchange

But all and sundry does not mean tout le monde, it doesn't mean the whole world. It doesn't mean everyone on urban and it doesn't need to mean everyone who replied to that thread or this, you're stretching everyone beyond any reasonable or rational point

 

[philosophical]

You are unable to differentiate

Take me saying you ignore what people say. You replied about how you've never put anyone on ignore. Not what I said at all. You respond to what you think people have said and not what they have said.

And on another point you have great goes at people with long and proud records of fighting racism and fascism. I don't know what you've done to stand up to racists and fascists but some of us were at Welling and Waterloo in the early 90s, at the '92 bloody Sunday march attacked by c18, involved with afa, no platform, antifa and other anti-racist and anti-fascist groups over the past 30 years or more. Yet you abrogate to yourself the right to decide who is racist, not on the grounds of any actual knowledge of the person but on what you feel about them. That's really really stupid.

I have great goes at who particularly and how?
This reads like a scattergun desperate attempt to justify your existence by giving a record of your life.
I have done what I can in the past, but stating what will not compare with the amount some others have done, and anyway my degree of activism would provide another opportunity for attack probably.
Measure your dicks if you like but I won't join in with that.
I think you're continuing your attacks on me because you're embarrassed that you have been called out as a liar.

 

[ska invita]

Can we start a new thread for this called Lets Rehash The Brexit Referendum. Philosophical, please go for it. Call it whatever you want

This is all nothing to do with the current transition period and trade deal and a massive derail.

 

[philosophical]

Ah it hadn't on 4.3.18 yet happened to me

My turn came later

I am sure you recall the pm exchange

But all and sundry does not mean tout le monde, it doesn't mean the whole world. It doesn't mean everyone on urban and it doesn't need to mean everyone who replied to that thread or this, you're stretching everyone beyond any reasonable or rational point

All and sundry does mean all the things you say it doesn't mean.

 

[philosophical]

Can we start a new thread for this called Lets Rehash The Brexit Referendum. Philosophical, please go for it. Call it whatever you want

This is all nothing to do with the current transition period and trade deal and a massive derail.

Well I was mentioning Kent this week and methods to by pass the UK land bridge. That is current, not a re-hash.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have great goes at who particularly and how?
This reads like a scattergun desperate attempt to justify your existence by giving a record of your life.
I have done what I can in the past, but stating what will not compare with the amount some others have done, and anyway my degree of activism would provide another opportunity for attack probably.
Measure your dicks if you like but I won't join in with that.
I think you're continuing your attacks on me because you're embarrassed that you have been called out as a liar.

I don't care about being called out as a liar by you as that calling out is based on a specious falsehood

 

[krtek a houby]

If you're saying my desire for brecit

If you're suggesting my desire for Brexit to be as bad as it can possibly be is stirring I see it differently. If in some quarters Brexit is framed as successful itwill be a victory for theTories in my view.
If there is a United Ireland then that is a step forward and it might be on the cards if brexit voters are challenged (and then fail to answer) about the land border.
I see the increase in overt racism as a danger.

The result is done with. Whether people like it or not at this stage is redundant. Fight the fallout rather than each other.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have great goes at who particularly and how?
This reads like a scattergun desperate attempt to justify your existence by giving a record of your life.
I have done what I can in the past, but stating what will not compare with the amount some others have done, and anyway my degree of activism would provide another opportunity for attack probably.
Measure your dicks if you like but I won't join in with that.
I think you're continuing your attacks on me because you're embarrassed that you have been called out as a liar.

Do you remember calling TopCat a fascist on the basis of er no evidence whatsoever? I'd call that having a great go at someone

 

[eatmorecheese]

It's like picking an irksome scab. It never properly heals, but mutates and swells.

philosophical can you please start a new thread for this beef, at the very least?

 

[ska invita]

Well I was mentioning Kent this week and methods to by pass the UK land bridge. That is current, not a re-hash.

its lost in the twenty pages of derail

 

[Supine]

The result is done with. Whether people like it or not at this stage is redundant. Fight the fallout rather than each other.

Not only is the result done we also left Europe already! Time to move on.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well I was mentioning Kent this week and methods to by pass the UK land bridge. That is current, not a re-hash.

This would be the post where you joyed over the unhappy future of the county, the 60% who desired leaving - and the 40% who wished to stay

 

[Pickman's model]

Not only is the result done we also left Europe already! Time to move on.

Or in philosophical's case, to move off

 

[krtek a houby]

Not only is the result done we also left Europe already! Time to move on.

Almost time, just have to leave the UK...

 

[philosophical]

I don't care about being called out as a liar by you as that calling out is based on a specious falsehood

Nah. Is based on the plain fact that what you wrote was a good old fashioned lie.
I am relieved that now you seem to acknowledge it.
Or are we about to go round again?

 

[philosophical]

The result is done with. Whether people like it or not at this stage is redundant. Fight the fallout rather than each other.

Yes the result is done with.
I was and am on the losing side.
My fight, however futile and minor, is to encourage the fall out to be as damaging as possible so the Tories fail.

 

[philosophical]

Do you remember calling TopCat a fascist on the basis of er no evidence whatsoever? I'd call that having a great go at someone

Remind me.
You can include context if you like.

 

[philosophical]

It's like picking an irksome scab. It never properly heals, but mutates and swells.

philosophical can you please start a new thread for this beef, at the very least?

What beef?
I am a vegetarian for a start.
I have objected to being lied about by pickmans model and he is doubling down.
Tell him to start a new thread.

 

[philosophical]

its lost in the twenty pages of derail

Nevertheless it is there.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nah. Is based on the plain fact that what you wrote was a good old fashioned lie.
I am relieved that now you seem to acknowledge it.
Or are we about to go round again?

i am surprised by the importance you place on the number of people you've accused of being racists without evidence

Most people would defend themselves by denying that they had called anyone racist without any basis

But you haven't troubled yourself with such and wish only to argue over quantum

 

[philosophical]

This would be the post where you joyed over the unhappy future of the county, the 60% who desired leaving - and the 40% who wished to stay

You may well be right on that point.
I actually do want the post brexit future to be as unhappy as it can possibly be.
I explained why previously, because from my perspective the more awful it is the more damage it does to the Tories, the nationalists and the racists.

 

[krtek a houby]

Yes the result is done with.
I was and am on the losing side.
My fight, however futile and minor, is to encourage the fall out to be as damaging as possible so the Tories fail.

Sod the Tories, it's the people who matter.

 

[Pickman's model]

What beef?
I am a vegetarian for a start.
I have objected to being lied about by pickmans model and he is doubling down.
Tell him to start a new thread.

mate, you aren't denying calling people racist

You aren't denying calling people racist without evidence

You are only disputing the number of people you have baselessly called racist

Give it up

 

[philosophical]

i am surprised by the importance you place on the number of people you've accused of being racists without evidence

Most people would defend themselves by denying that they had called anyone racist without any basis

But you haven't troubled yourself with such and wish only to argue over quantum

Good bit of ducking and diving.
You lie.
I call it out.
You then obfuscate by calling it an argument over quantum.
Well played.

 

[philosophical]

Sod the Tories, it's the people who matter.

This is a point of divergence between you and me.
I can't bear the thought of a 'successful' brexit because it is a victory for the Tories and their ilk.
Maybe the people will react if everything goes to chite, I doubt it though.

 

[Flavour]

tedious bollocks day after day after day.

it would be funny if the trucks all started doing a Cherbourg-Dublin route then driving up to Belfast, another ferry over to Liverpool, cos it was still quicker and cheaper than going through the People's Bureaucratic Entity of Kent (aka the Kentity)

 

[krtek a houby]

This is a point of divergence between you and me.
I can't bear the thought of a 'successful' brexit because it is a victory for the Tories and their ilk.
Maybe the people will react if everything goes to chite, I doubt it though.

Leave, remain... it's never been about the people

 

[spitfire]

I'm old enough to remember when this thread was worth reading, no matter how you voted (remain here btw).

Give it a rest philosophical. Please.

 

[philosophical]

mate, you aren't denying calling people racist

You aren't denying calling people racist without evidence

You are only disputing the number of people you have baselessly called racist

Give it up

What is there to deny?
Your invention or spin on what I have supposed to have done?
You lie.
Plain fact.
Give it up.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I can't bear the thought of a 'successful' brexit because it is a victory for the Tories and their ilk.

Leave, remain... it's never been about the people

Quite. Had remain won that would also have been a tory victory.