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[teqniq]

philosophical No you don't get to wriggle out of it that easily.

You said

Brexit voting posters here are triumphalist ...

Which i took to mean pretty much what it looks like, so please post examples.

Moreover I have editied my post to reflect what I actually meant: 'Everybody here agrees'.

 

[philosophical]

Youre right
We All Agree
Thank you
No need to say any more now

Well the latest news regarding the specifics of the lorry park is recent enough to suggest more people might have more to say on this thread in the future, as more practical scenarios are highlighted.

 

[philosophical]

philosophical No you don't get to wriggle out of it that easily.

You said

Which i took to mean pretty much what it looks like, so please post examples.

Moreover I have editied my post to reflect what I actually meant: 'Everybody here agrees'.

Now there's a challenge.
Try posts 1355 1363 in order to get started.
I am not going to trawl every lexiteer post aimed in my direction over the past four or so years, if you choose not to believe me then so be it.
However whilst generalising, lexiteers have tended to say stuff like 'if brexit pisses off you (meaning me) then bring it on'.
If you want chapter and verse you will have to search for it yourself.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not sure if I like Nantucket sleighride by Mountain- any other people undecided ?

Play it backwards and you'll love it

 

[teqniq]

Now there's a challenge.
Try posts 1355 1363 in order to get started.
I am not going to trawl every lexiteer post aimed in my direction over the past four or so years, if you choose not to believe me then so be it.
However whilst generalising, lexiteers have tended to say stuff like 'if brexit pisses off you (meaning me) then bring it on'.
If you want chapter and verse you will have to search for it yourself.

Neither of those posts by Top Cat would I regard as 'triumphalist'. The first is calling you a liar, the second is calling you stupid. Neither are crowing or gloating over Brexit per se.

 

[philosophical]

Neither of those posts by Top Cat would I regard as 'triumphalist'. The first is calling you a liar, the second is calling you stupid. Neither are crowing or gloating over Brexit per se.

What about the use of the word 'remainer'?

 

[teqniq]

What about the use of the word 'remainer?

What about it? It does not imply 'triumphalist' imo. Frustration almost certainly though.

 

[Streathamite]

I must say, Pickman's brogdlae and teqniq, I envy your persistence and stamina. I simply could not be arsed with the eejit

 

[philosophical]

What about it? It does not imply 'triumphalist' imo. Frustration almost certainly though.

OK.
It implies triumphalist to me as in 'you're a remainer' as opposed to 'I voted brexit'....the side which won.
If it is about frustration I struggle to see how that fits in.
Like 'you're a remainer, and I am frustrated you don't metaphorically bend the knee'?
There is a refrain on here which goes 'shut the fuck up' which is fine, maybe frustration comes if a person does not obey that order which is too bad.

 

[teqniq]

OK.
It implies triumphalist to me as in 'you're a remainer' as opposed to 'I voted brexit'....the side which won.

This entirely discounts the terms under which Brexit the person who voted leave wanted and the reasons why.

If it is about frustration I struggle to see how that fits in.
Like 'you're a remainer, and I am frustrated you don't metaphorically bend the knee'?

The frustration, if it is such is you not realising and/or accepting that there were and still are a lot of ordinary, mostly working-class people who feel disenfranchised and left behind by the EU and voted accordingly. you seem to be incapable of seeing this and the reasons why.

There is a refrain on here which goes 'shut the fuck up' which is fine, maybe frustration comes if a person does not obey that order which is too bad.

not really, please see above.

 

[two sheds]

'Remoaner' I might agree with you but remainer's equivalent to 'brexiteer' said by remainers I'd have said.

 

[gosub]

What about the use of the word 'remainer'?

Oh such inflammatory language from the people you call cunts for not sharing your political perspective.

 

[philosophical]

This entirely discounts the terms under which Brexit the person who voted leave wanted and the reasons why.

The frustration, if it is such is you not realising and/or accepting that there were and still are a lot of ordinary, mostly working-class people who feel disenfranchised and left behind by the EU and voted accordingly. you seem to be incapable of seeing this and the reasons why.
not really, please see above.

You are completely right about your first point.
I do entirely discount the terms (were there terms in a binary vote?) and also the reasons and concentrate on what was actually done.
The action of voting.
And the consequences that flow from that action.

I have a problem with accepting that a lot of ordinary mostly working class people voted brexit because they felt disenfranchised and left behind by the EU for a couple of reasons.

One is that I am uncomfortable with what I think is rather a patronising attitude towards those people, where their motivation is guessed at, but if we have to go down that road isn't another guess that they are motivated by racism? One lobby says they were voting because they were downtrodden, and another lobby says they were voting that way because they hate foreigners.

A second reason is that I have heard many times brexit voters say stuff along the lines that they knew what they were voting for, and the losers should jolly well get over it.

So in the absence of certainty as to what motivated the brexit vote we (or I) am left to contemplate what flows from the result. Not contemplate why people voted the way they did.
And what I see as flowing from the result is nothing but bad stuff.
Earlier today when mentioning the lorry parks I referenced a Kent County Councillor who says we have to take the rough with the smooth, he was talking about the consequences that flow from the vote as much as I am when talking of the land border on the island of Ireland.

So to sum up I am not somebody prepared to accept interpretations as to why people voted brexit, I am much more somebody who wants to highlight the damage the vote has caused and will cause. Not conciliatory, not prepared to make the best of it, mainly because I am way too old for that kind of stuff any more.


If that is the reason for frustration the so be it, however I have stated my position and make no apologies for it however much I am abused on here.

 

[philosophical]

Oh such inflammatory language from the people you call cunts for not sharing your political perspective.

I call people cunts in return for what they dish out first.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I call people cunts in return for what they dish out first.

Never seen in the same room as Detective Boy...

 

[teqniq]

philosophical Fair enough you've clearly stated your position but the fact remains you've misrepresented posters on here by describing them as 'triumphalist' nor have you provided any clear evididence that this is indeed the case, which was my point in the first place.

 

[Streathamite]

The frustration, if it is such is you not realising and/or accepting that there were and still are a lot of ordinary, mostly working-class people who feel disenfranchised and left behind by the EU and voted accordingly.

The thing is, it wasn't really the EU that left them behind, which is why I voted Remain. It was every single government we have had since 1979 (and, arguably, before then) that did that, as in inevitable result of policy. All our (and their) problems are 100% homegrown.

 

[Pickman's model]

philosophical Fair enough you've clearly stated your position but the fact remains you've misrepresented posters on here by describing them as 'triumphalist' nor have you provided any clear evididence that this is indeed the case, which was my point in the first place.

He's form for such like the time he called all and sundry racist on the basis of er no evidence whatsoever

 

[Smangus]

You are completely right about your first point.
I do entirely discount the terms (were there terms in a binary vote?) and also the reasons and concentrate on what was actually done.
The action of voting.
And the consequences that flow from that action.

I have a problem with accepting that a lot of ordinary mostly working class people voted brexit because they felt disenfranchised and left behind by the EU for a couple of reasons.

One is that I am uncomfortable with what I think is rather a patronising attitude towards those people, where their motivation is guessed at, but if we have to go down that road isn't another guess that they are motivated by racism? One lobby says they were voting because they were downtrodden, and another lobby says they were voting that way because they hate foreigners.

A second reason is that I have heard many times brexit voters say stuff along the lines that they knew what they were voting for, and the losers should jolly well get over it.

So in the absence of certainty as to what motivated the brexit vote we (or I) am left to contemplate what flows from the result. Not contemplate why people voted the way they did.
And what I see as flowing from the result is nothing but bad stuff.
Earlier today when mentioning the lorry parks I referenced a Kent County Councillor who says we have to take the rough with the smooth, he was talking about the consequences that flow from the vote as much as I am when talking of the land border on the island of Ireland.

So to sum up I am not somebody prepared to accept interpretations as to why people voted brexit, I am much more somebody who wants to highlight the damage the vote has caused and will cause. Not conciliatory, not prepared to make the best of it, mainly because I am way too old for that kind of stuff any more.


If that is the reason for frustration the so be it, however I have stated my position and make no apologies for it however much I am abused on here.

that is all.

 

[Pickman's model]

I must say, Pickman's brogdlae and teqniq, I envy your persistence and stamina. I simply could not be arsed with the eejit

To be fair it's much easier when you're really bored at work

 

[philosophical]

He's form for such like the time he called all and sundry racist on the basis of er no evidence whatsoever

Lie.

 

[Pickman's model]

Lie.

I only wish it was

 

[philosophical]

I only wish it was

Your wish is granted.
A plain lie.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Surely extra time is finished by now? Can we have the penalty shoot out please?

 

[Pickman's model]

Lie.

Take a trip back to 4/3/18 and your posts on the will we have a brexit thread, where you start off by saying everyone who voted brexit was racist and then suggested everyone who disagreed with you voted brexit: and was therefore a racist

 

[philosophical]

Take a trip back to 4/3/18 and your posts on the will we have a brexit thread, where you start off by saying everyone who voted brexit was racist and then suggested everyone who disagreed with you voted brexit: and was therefore a racist

"He's form for such like the time he called all and sundry racist on the basis of er no evidence whatsoever"

Plain lie.
Again.

 

[Marty1]

You are completely right about your first point.
I do entirely discount the terms (were there terms in a binary vote?) and also the reasons and concentrate on what was actually done.
The action of voting.
And the consequences that flow from that action.

I have a problem with accepting that a lot of ordinary mostly working class people voted brexit because they felt disenfranchised and left behind by the EU for a couple of reasons.

One is that I am uncomfortable with what I think is rather a patronising attitude towards those people, where their motivation is guessed at, but if we have to go down that road isn't another guess that they are motivated by racism? One lobby says they were voting because they were downtrodden, and another lobby says they were voting that way because they hate foreigners.

A second reason is that I have heard many times brexit voters say stuff along the lines that they knew what they were voting for, and the losers should jolly well get over it.

So in the absence of certainty as to what motivated the brexit vote we (or I) am left to contemplate what flows from the result. Not contemplate why people voted the way they did.
And what I see as flowing from the result is nothing but bad stuff.
Earlier today when mentioning the lorry parks I referenced a Kent County Councillor who says we have to take the rough with the smooth, he was talking about the consequences that flow from the vote as much as I am when talking of the land border on the island of Ireland.

So to sum up I am not somebody prepared to accept interpretations as to why people voted brexit, I am much more somebody who wants to highlight the damage the vote has caused and will cause. Not conciliatory, not prepared to make the best of it, mainly because I am way too old for that kind of stuff any more.


If that is the reason for frustration the so be it, however I have stated my position and make no apologies for it however much I am abused on here.

Wasn’t Brexit supposed to be a working class revolt against the establishment?

Cameron telling everyone to vote to remain and getting Obama to tell us we’d be at the back of the queue for US trade if we voted leave.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Play it backwards and you'll love it

Doesn't that invoke Yog-Sothoth into the body of the nearest virgin?

I don't want to see some 20-something incel carrying the essence of a Great Old One!!!

 

[philosophical]

Wasn’t Brexit supposed to be a working class revolt against the establishment?

Cameron telling everyone to vote to remain and getting Obama to tell us we’d be at the back of the queue for US trade if we voted leave.

Whatever it was supposed to be brexit won.

I am certainly on the losing side. It was a binary choice, on the winning side were Gove, Farage, Johnson, Yakitty Lookatme, and much much more.
Abstention was an option I suppose, but nah for me. I didn't want to give the likes of those a free reign, and I had also before the vote given a bit of thought to some aspects at least. Particularly the border in Ireland having a brother living in Shannon.

 

[Pickman's model]

"He's form for such like the time he called all and sundry racist on the basis of er no evidence whatsoever"

Plain lie.
Again.

Except it's there for the rest of the existence of these boards for anyone who wants to see how you behaved and what you said. Deny it as you will, the record speaks for itself