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[krtek a houby]

Quite. Had remain won that would also have been a tory victory.

Yup.

The result speeches were already written.

 

[philosophical]

I'm old enough to remember when this thread was worth reading, no matter how you voted (remain here btw).

Give it a rest philosophical. Please.

If you mean stop defending myself is that what you expect me to do?
There is more than one participant.

 

[andysays]

Interesting* to see philosophical trying to argue for as disastrous a Brexit as possible in order to to damage the Tories etc.

Some of us were arguing for a Leave vote in the referendum for that very reason, although I guess to argue it back them was racist, but now it's entirely the opposite.

* for a certain rather narrow version of "interesting", admittedly

 

[spitfire]

If you mean stop defending myself is that what you expect me to do?
There is more than one participant.

Mate, you've been poking the wasps" nest for days now, what do you expect? This was a very useful thread of info regarding the negotiations. And now it's just a shitfight.

Put it down to a score draw. Will that do?

*#notallwasps

 

[philosophical]

Quite. Had remain won that would also have been a tory victory.

You're right.
For me it was the lesser of two evils.
What has happened since brexit won has confirmed that to me.
It wasn't at all difficult or complex for me at the time of the vote, leaving aside the practicalities for a moment, when I viewed the landscape and saw Rees Mogg, Gove, Francois, Johnson, Farage, and so on lined up on one side, deciding where to place my cross was lemon squeezy.

 

[gosub]

You may well be right on that point.
I actually do want the post brexit future to be as unhappy as it can possibly be.
I explained why previously, because from my perspective the more awful it is the more damage it does to the Tories, the nationalists and the racists.

CUNT!.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You're right.
For me it was the lesser of two evils.
What has happened since brexit won has confirmed that to me.
It wasn't at all difficult or complex for me at the time of the vote, leaving aside the practicalities for a moment, when I viewed the landscape and saw Rees Mogg, Gove, Francois, Johnson, Farage, and so on lined up on one side, deciding where to place my cross was lemon squeezy.

Alongside Cameron and Osborne and Clegg with their austerity, Blair and Brown with their murderous adventures in the Middle East, Major and all his crap.

 

[philosophical]

Mate, you've been poking the wasps" nest for days now, what do you expect? This was a very useful thread of info regarding the negotiations. And now it's just a shitfight.

Put it down to a score draw. Will that do?

*#notallwasps

I am more interested in the practicalities arising than a fight.
The runes seem to say there will be 'no deal'.
Australian style this, WTO that, and Canada style the other.
The trade envoy to Mongolia, concrete passported Kent.
The initiative by the ROI to by pass the UK land bridge.
The ending of the EHIC system (which seems to be about the Tory move towards privatising healthcare for a profit).
Then there are enterprises abandoning workers in the UK because of it's isolationist attitude.
Talking about that stuff interests me more than engaging with the wasps that lurk here.

 

[philosophical]

CUNT!.

Yep.
If wanting post brexit damage makes me a cunt in your eyes then I accept that fully.

 

[philosophical]

Alongside Cameron and Osborne and Clegg with their austerity, Blair and Brown with their murderous adventures in the Middle East, Major and all his crap.

It was a binary choice.

 

[Serge Forward]

Jesus, it's like fucking groundhog day, this thread... but with only the shit bits and no romance.

 

[gosub]

Yep.
If wanting post brexit damage makes me a cunt in your eyes then I accept that fully.

Turning up two years after the event and gaslughting the place doesn't do you any favours either.

 

[Pickman's model]

Jesus, it's like fucking groundhog day, this thread... but with only the shit bits and no romance.

That's brexit for you

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not such a long way off.
I can spot an ally of Nigel Farage, the Tories and Stephen Yakitty Lookatme brexit voter from quite close.
Especially you as you have declared you voted with them.
Enjoy your new bedfellows as you make your brexit work.

Here you are calling TopCat a fascist

 

[Pickman's model]

What is there to deny?
Your invention or spin on what I have supposed to have done?
You lie.
Plain fact.
Give it up.

The lie you claim isn't that you have called anyone a racist without foundation, but that you have called everyone a lie without any of your actual evidence. How many people do you feel justified calling racist (for that is what you think of brexit voters) without any actual evidence to support the belief that's what they are? And even if everyone who is racist voted for brexit - which they didn't as some prominent racists supported and campaigned for remain - many non- and anti-racists voted leave. Just as there are racists and anti-racists in the labour party and its supporters and tory party and their electors. If he was still alive, Mosley would have doubtless voted remain. Doesn't mean, wouldn't mean, you are racist
But it shows you're stupid for supposing the devils on one side and angels on the other

 

[philosophical]

Here you are calling TopCat a fascist

You what?
My eyesight is not what it was now I'm old but where is the word fascist?

 

[philosophical]

Turning up two years after the event and gaslughting the place doesn't do you any favours either.

Eh?

 

[Pickman's model]

You what?
My eyesight is not what it was now I'm old but where is the word fascist?

Oh right, calling someone an ally of Stephen Yaxley Lennon isn't calling them a fascist

I think we have reached a new low for pedantry and comprehension on these boards

E2A now you'll tell me you haven't mentioned Yaxley Lennon

 

[Poot]

Has anyone won the internet yet?

 

[Pickman's model]

Has anyone won the internet yet?

Yes, philosophical has

Sadly no mention of millions of PM's of support yet tho

 

[philosophical]

The lie you claim isn't that you have called anyone a racist without foundation, but that you have called everyone a lie without any of your actual evidence. How many people do you feel justified calling racist (for that is what you think of brexit voters) without any actual evidence to support the belief that's what they are? And even if everyone who is racist voted for brexit - which they didn't as some prominent racists supported and campaigned for remain - many non- and anti-racists voted leave. Just as there are racists and anti-racists in the labour party and its supporters and tory party and their electors. If he was still alive, Mosley would have doubtless voted remain. Doesn't mean, wouldn't mean, you are racist
But it shows you're stupid for supposing the devils on one side and angels on the other

You lied.
Plain fact.
Broken record.

 

[Pickman's model]

You lied.
Plain fact.
Broken record.

The difference isn't over what you did

It's over how many people you did it to

You cheapen calling out racists when you accuse people of being racists without any evidence or foundation for the claim, as you have done repeatedly. And you haven't denied doing that. When you said you believed everyone who disagreed with you was a brexit voter it carried all the connotations you'd freighted the term with, ie racism.

 

[philosophical]

Oh right, calling someone an ally of Stephen Yaxley Lennon isn't calling them a fascist

I think we have reached a new low for pedantry and comprehension on these boards

E2A now you'll tell me you haven't mentioned Yaxley Lennon

I would suggest if you're looking for an expert on pedantry you look in the mirror.

 

[philosophical]

The difference isn't over what you did

It's over how many people you did it to

You cheapen calling out racists when you accuse people of being racists without any evidence or foundation for the claim, as you have done repeatedly.

No I haven't done what you accuse me of, any more than I used the word fascist in relation to TopCat.

 

[Pickman's model]

I would suggest if you're looking for an expert on pedantry you look in the mirror.

I'm not looking for an expert on pedantry, I'm looking for you to own what you say.

 

[Pickman's model]

No I haven't done what you accuse me of, any more than I used the word fascist in relation to TopCat.

Anyone looking at the post can readily see your meaning

If you think that meanings are only conveyed when stated explicitly I am astonished

But you were explicit as you said you assumed all brexit voters were racist so subsequent references to people as brexit voters were clearly intended to carry the racism you associated with the term

You must have really struggled with teaching eg shakespeare

 

[Dogsauce]

Interesting* to see philosophical trying to argue for as disastrous a Brexit as possible in order to to damage the Tories etc.

Some of us were arguing for a Leave vote in the referendum for that very reason, although I guess to argue it back them was racist, but now it's entirely the opposite.

* for a certain rather narrow version of "interesting", admittedly

tbh we were all laughing are faces off at the complete clown show of May’s Brexit troubles, a result of boldly calling an election that didn’t go as planned and the utter disarray that followed with the Tories looking seriously holed below the waterline. Kind of miss those days now.

 

[gosub]

The difference isn't over what you did

It's over how many people you did it to

You cheapen calling out racists when you accuse people of being racists without any evidence or foundation for the claim, as you have done repeatedly. And you haven't denied doing that. When you said you believed everyone who disagreed with you was a brexit voter it carried all the connotations you'd freighted the term with, ie racism.

Actually, I'd take exception to this too. There was/is a whole tranch of reasons for voting Leave that have fuck all to do with race, all of which have been marginalised by racists and those who thought painting the whole thing as about race would help undo the referendum.

 

[philosophical]

Anyone looking at the post can readily see your meaning

If you think that meanings are only conveyed when stated explicitly I am astonished

But you were explicit as you said you assumed all brexit voters were racist so subsequent references to people as brexit voters were clearly intended to carry the racism you associated with the term

You must have really struggled with teaching eg shakespeare

If they choose to interpret it according to your parameters.

Yes I am aware of ambiguity.

That you claim to know mine, or others, or Shakespeare's 'clear intent' is quite something isn't it?
Especially when you seem to invoke the concept that meanings can be ambiguous.

 

[maomao]

Has anyone won the internet yet?

I think this bit of the internet got won in about 2005 and we're like the stragglers in the London marathon bravely walking just ahead of the van that's picking up all the rubbish.