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[Marty1]

And you don't think that's grandstanding as well? there is going to be a lot of this in the coming months from both sides as they get down to talking.
I'm fairly confident that is one thing that BoZo will give way on, the fishing industry is simply too small compared to finance, banking or manufacturing for him not to sell them down the river (no pun intended) at some point.

I certainly hope not - Govt is taking a hard stance on their position.

 

[andysays]

Although it's early, I think it'll be pretty hard to topple this from the top of the Stupidest Posts Of The Day listings. The UK has never been a 'servant taking orders,' and its negotiating clout is a whole lot smaller now that we're out of the union.

You clearly haven't been following Marty1's posting record that closely. I have every confidence in his ability to post something even more stupider before the day is out.

 

[The39thStep]

You clearly haven't been following Marty1's posting record that closely. I have every confidence in his ability to post something even more stupider before the day is out.

God loves a trier

 

[Marty1]

You clearly haven't been following Marty1's posting record that closely. I have every confidence in his ability to post something even more stupider before the day is out.

You’ve just won.

 

[editor]

Great stuff! Jobs for all!

UK races to find extra 50,000 staff for post-Brexit paperwork

New recruits needed to process millions of extra declaration forms from 1 January 2021

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raheem]

Indeed, but the EU are being no better. Insisting the UK has to have a more restrictive set of requirements than other countries because it is physically closer by? That’s just as pathetic.

No it isn’t. It's just bloody obvious. I had the impression you prided yourself on an understanding of economics.

 

[Marty1]

No it isn’t. It's just bloody obvious. I had the impression you prided yourself on an understanding of economics.

Didn’t Barnier say we could have a Canada style free trade deal - then say we couldn’t because we were too close?

Its hard to keep up with Barnier’s hot and cold routine but he’s being nice now that the govt has said we could walk away from trade negotiations in June if Barnier and his EU stooges don’t drop their hissy fits and delusions.

 

[Raheem]

Didn’t Barnier say we could have a Canada style free trade deal - then say we couldn’t because we were too close?

Maybe, possibly, but who gives a fart?

It's absurd to suppose that the UK can trade with the EU on the same terms as Canada, from any perspective. It's pure pantomime.

 

[Marty1]

Maybe, possibly, but who gives a fart?

It's absurd to suppose that the UK can trade with the EU on the same terms as Canada, from any perspective. It's pure pantomime.

Wtf?

 

[Raheem]

Wtf?

Sorry. I can stick to saying things you can understand, if you would prefer.

 

[Marty1]

Sorry. I can stick to saying things you can understand, if you would prefer.

You’ve yet to explain anything apart from you couldn’t give a ‘fart’.

Sleep it off mate, you’ll feel better in the morning.

 

[Supine]

Sorry. I can stick to saying things you can understand, if you would prefer.

You'd better use some really simple words

 

[two sheds]

Great stuff! Jobs for all!

UK races to find extra 50,000 staff for post-Brexit paperwork

New recruits needed to process millions of extra declaration forms from 1 January 2021

www.theguardian.com

And really important, productive jobs too. Lets get rid of all the EU red tape

 

[brogdale]

Great stuff! Jobs for all!

UK races to find extra 50,000 staff for post-Brexit paperwork

New recruits needed to process millions of extra declaration forms from 1 January 2021

www.theguardian.com

"We are all Keynesians now"

 

[editor]

Another total win for Brexit and the UK!

The economic benefit from a trade deal with the US may be as little as 0.02 per cent of GDP – around 450 times smaller than the potential loss from a no-deal Brexit - according to the government's own figures.

A negotiating mandate released by the Department for International Trade put the expected increase in UK GDP from a successful deal at between 0.02 per cent and 0.36 per cent, depending on the scope and depth of any accord.

Boost to UK economy from US trade deal could be 450 times smaller than loss from no-deal Brexit

Official document puts likely benefits of free trade agreement with Donald Trump at below 0.2 per cent of GDP – and possibly as little as 0.02 per cent

www.independent.co.uk

 

[brogdale]

Interesting twitter thread from Telegraph journo about the (apparent) growing concern amongst the big food retailers about the costs associated with compliance with the GB/NI 'border'. Don't know enough to vouch for veracity, but it raises some interesting points:

 

[brogdale]

Was alerted to the above by this from Faisal Islam...which says that Defra appear to be reluctant to address the retailers concerns.

 

[editor]

The Post Office has highlighted another amazing WIN we'll all be getting from Brexit

Sending parcels to the EU
If the UK leaves the EU without an agreement, the rules for posting items to the EU will change.

We expect the rules which apply to non-EU countries to be extended to EU countries, which would mean customs declaration forms would be required for items being sent to all countries outside the UK. For more information see our customs page.

Post Office - Helping You Get Life's Important Things Done

Find great deals on travel insurance, travel money, car insurance, savings accounts, financial services and more here at Post Office.

www.postoffice.co.uk

 

[editor]

Great news. New jobs!

Border red tape will mean 50,000 new form-fillers after Brexit


Michael Gove has endorsed claims that up to 50,000 people will have to be recruited to carry out customs paperwork under the government’s preferred Canada-style trade deal with the EU — the equivalent of the population of a medium-sized town. The Cabinet Office minister was on Thursday pressed by businesses that send goods across borders to provide more cash to help them recruit and train the army of form-fillers needed to process the red tape spawned when Britain exits the transition period on January 1 2021.

Mr Gove was challenged by Labour MP Justin Madders to confirm that 50,000 people would be required to handle the customs declarations needed for trade with the EU and whether it was feasible to recruit them in such a short space of time. “Yes it is and the government stand behind that,” Mr Gove said. The minister’s allies said that although the 50,000 figure was an industry estimate, it was “not far off” the workforce likely to be needed to fill in customs forms.

That admission means that private-sector customs agents — staff trained to fill in customs forms and clear them with the authorities — will become one of the big growth sectors in the British employment market in the next year. By the time Britain exits the transition period, the private sector may have hired four times more people to fill in customs forms than the 12,000 people working as fishermen in the UK — the industry that is supposedly one of the big beneficiaries of Brexit.

Customs agents fill in declarations which are then registered with HM Revenue & Customs. A form is then returned to the exporter electronically and given to the truck driver. Checks are then carried out at ports to make sure the paperwork is correct.

“We are leaving the single market and the customs union,” a government official said. “Businesses that trade with the EU need to get ready for new customs procedures now.”

The Road Haulage Association has estimated that a Canada-style trade deal — which would eliminate most tariffs but would still involve customs declarations — could lead to an extra 200m declarations a year.

Currently there are around 50m customs declarations a year for UK trade with the rest of the world; EU trade is largely frictionless because of Britain’s membership of the customs union.

The RHA says that a customs agent fully trained and experienced in dealing with HMRC procedures can typically deal with about 20 customs clearances a day, suggesting a total of 50,000 new staff would be needed.

Some exporters employ staff “in house” to carry out the extra paperwork, while others outsource the work to external private-sector customs agents. If each new staff member earned £30,000, that would amount to an extra cost to traders of £1.5bn.

Border red tape will mean 50,000 new form-fillers after Brexit

Michael Gove under pressure to find cash to help recruit and train army of customs agents

www.ft.com

 

[editor]

Negotiations aren't going so well, then:

Britain must respect the EU's "independence" and accept that the bloc has its own red-lines in trade talks, the bloc's chief negotiator has warned Boris Johnson.

Michel Barnier was speaking in Brussels at the close of the first round of Brexit trade negotiations, where he warned that "very, very difficult" differences were emerging between both sides with the clock ticking down.

"Let’s avoid any misunderstandings: the UK has spent a lot of time this week insisting on its independence: ladies and gentlemen, nobody contests the UK’s independence. We also ask the UK to respect our own independence," Mr Barnier said.

Giving a review of the first week's talks, the chief negotiator said the UK was refusing to sign a commitment to stay in the European Convention on Human Rights, as well as rejecting an agreement tying it to "high standards" for labour, environmental, and state aid regulations.

"The United Kingdom informs us that they do not wish to commit formally to applying the European Convention on Human Rights," Mr Barnier said.

EU tells UK to respect its independence

Chief negotiator Michel Barnier says ‘the EU sets its own conditions for opening up its markets for goods and services’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[cupid_stunt]

Early stages, both sides putting their foot down, as expected.

 

[The39thStep]

Early stages, both sides putting their foot down, as expected.

Its almost as if some people have never been involved in negotiations .

 

[Pickman's model]

EU wankers still haven’t got their bureaucratic heads around the fact that the U.K. is now a third party negotiating on equal terms rather than a servant taking orders.

Negotiating on equal terms

Only the eu has negotiators who can negotiate and the UK has blustering buffoons

 

[Raheem]

Its almost as if some people have never been involved in negotiations .

That would be the British negotiators.

 

[brogdale]

Its almost as if some people have never been involved in negotiations .

Take the point completely, but in reality I doubt many people have been, at least in the formal scenario.
As a former 'shoppie' and district officer, I have...but then again, I've never experienced a negotiation that I deliberately wanted to fail.

 

[The39thStep]

Negotiating on equal terms

Only the eu has negotiators who can negotiate and the UK has blustering buffoons

Obviously havent been following the EU budget negotiations .

 

[not-bono-ever]

Johnson has no interest in coming to agreement with the EU. It will all be the fault of the EU when it crash and burns & we will finally be free etc etc. The public setting of red lines and the language of the Brits in this is telling. Bang in some euro-virus and we have a perfect excuse to tumble out and claim we won

 

[Pickman's model]

Obviously havent been following the EU budget negotiations .

That's different being as budget negotiations not usually undertaken by trade negotiators, who are the people our nefandous politicians will be dealing with

 

[not-bono-ever]

There is real incompetence here as well, criminal and wilful negligence.

 

[editor]

Some of my film friends are getting pissed off about this as it's likely Brexit is going to have a hugely negative impact on UK independent film industry.

Following the publication of the Government’s EU negotiation mandate on 27 February 2020, it has become clear that the UK will not be seeking to participate in the next Creative Europe MEDIA programme, due to start in January 2021. The BFI believes there is a clear economic case for continuing to support UK independent film internationally across the ecosystem. We will be talking to Government urgently about the need to provide swift replacement funding as we recognise that this will immediately impact on our industry and business. The BFI has released a statement here.

Creative Europe

Creative Europe is the European Union’s funding programme for the audiovisual industry and creative sectors.

www.bfi.org.uk

BFI statement here: https://www.bfi.org.uk/sites/bfi.org.uk/files/downloads/ben-roberts-bfi-brexit-statement-2020.pdf