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[DexterTCN]

Will be interesting to see whether EU fishing in UK waters will be traded away. Varadkar has said we may need to make concessions to get a financial services deal.

Have a guess.

 

[two sheds]

cod & chips

 

[gosub]

Yes, we showed the English what for that day.

Now I'm really confused. 1 Never knew you were German 2 Not sure how much help Germans were to the southern Nor(s)mans

 

[Raheem]

Now I'm really confused. 1 Never knew you were German 2 Not sure how much help Germans were to the southern Nor(s)mans

True fact: I'm technically descended from the French family one of whose number killed Richard the Lionheart.

Technically, but not genetically, due to some extra-marital coitus in the 1800s.

I know this because of grave-visiting hobbyist granddad.

 

[SpookyFrank]

True fact: I'm technically descended from the French family one of whose number killed Richard the Lionheart.

Technically, but not genetically, due to some extra-marital coitus in the 1800s.

I know this because of grave-visiting hobbyist granddad.

Technically related and genetically related are the same thing. What you are is 'unrelated' to the family in question.

I on the other hand am a direct descendant of William the Bastard himself.

 

[Raheem]

Technically related and genetically related are the same thing. What you are is 'unrelated' to the family in question.

Nonsense. There are all kinds of ways of being related. Like if someone else's nan makes you Duke of Sussex, for instance.

 

[two sheds]

EU wishes 'good riddance' to UK as parting message gets lost in translation

The comic mix-up took place at the last ever meeting of EU ambassadors

www.independent.co.uk

Thought 'good riddance' meant 'good luck' apparently.

He could have tried 'So long and thanks for all the fish'

 

[Azrael]

I'm by no means an expert but the difference between the WA negotiated by May and rejected 3 times, and the amended version eventually passed by Johnson, is fairly marginal. Didn't it all come down to the backstop / NI? And didn't the UK eventually accept there would be border checks between NI and the rest of the UK, effectively accepting that NI would, to all intents and purposes (especially as all NI residents have right to Irish citizenship) stay in the EU? I don't know what concessions the UK won from the EU, but that certainly doesn't seem to be much of one.

Doesn't, does it. Team Boris has, I gotta admit, done a standout job of selling the line that Al Johnson didn't just hand the E.U. everything it'd originally asked for, bringing back a far worse withdrawal agreement than May's.

No wonder Brussels are chilled about the election result: no only do they get everything they want, they get a government capable of hawking it domestically as a glorious victory.

 

[brogdale]

Supra-state choosing to open it's negotiating stance by exerting pressure in the obvious quarters:

 

[Flavour]

to the surprise of nobody

 

[Artaxerxes]

“We want to leave but keep unrestricted access for our biggest economic sector”
“Um, no.”


“Totally unreasonable EU rejects our demands!”

 

[SpookyFrank]

He could have tried 'So long and thanks for all the fish'

Excellent, full marks

 

[hot air baboon]

It hasn't got a supra-state capital market unfortunately so "access" cuts both ways. e.g Germany has a longer tradition of raising bank capital and its largest bank Deutsche Bank is pretty much a basket-case. The market cap of Apple is now greater than the DAX 30 top 30 German public companies for example. afaik the main risk to London is losing busines to New York apart from its time zone advantage for round the clock trading

 

[gosub]

Twelve Days After Brexit, U.K. Falls Foul of EU Rules

Less than two weeks after leaving the European Union, the U.K. is already back in trouble with the bloc.

www.bloomberg.com

This could be a major problem. The rax was introduced because of the advantage cheaper continental diesel gave for picking up domestic work once over here. If Commission want to go down this route then only logical next step is removal of cabotage rights which will cause logistics nightmares for everyone at the end of the transition

 

[ska invita]

Really good summary of where we're at here - from what I can tell its a good summarisation:

Here we go again - Weekly Worker

Red lines, cliff edges, friction, no deal, hard Brexit … Eddie Ford gets a sense of déjà vu.

weeklyworker.co.uk

That piece is all mainly documenting current realities as reported more widely, but it does include this one personal projection of the future:

"Whatever exactly happens, it looks like we are going to get something that Boris always denied - not frictionless trade, but frictional trade. One consequence of this is that it is almost all over for the British car industry, but that was possibly the case even before Brexit, due to the trade deal between EU and Japan - plus the advent of electric cars and massive consolidation at a global level. Japanese car firms opened up in Britain not just because of supine trade unions, thanks to Margaret Thatcher, but also - more importantly still - as it represented a gateway to Europe. This is no longer case, with a hard Brexit acting as the final nail in the coffin. "

 

[brogdale]

Meanwhile, diplomatic relations between Donald Trump and his "friend" Boris Johnson have cooled significantly in recent weeks.

The cooling followed the prime minister's decision in January to let Chinese telecoms giant Huawei build its 5G network, despite intensive lobbying from the US amid security concerns.

Trump was said to have been "apoplectic" during a phone call with Johnson last week after the decision was announced, and he was reported to have ended the call by "slamming the phone down," according to officials in the room. The prime minister has delayed his imminent trip to Washington.

source

 

[brogdale]

And...we're back in the game...



Who'd have thought that the French would kick off?

 

[ska invita]

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as i said elsewhere will be interesting to see what effect it will have if Sanders wins the white house

 

[not-bono-ever]

Sanders is not going to get near the White House

 

[skyscraper101]

Bloomberg will do a deal. He's a real Anglophile.

 

[gosub]

And...we're back in the game...

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Who'd have thought that the French would kick off?

Tough one Read the latest Guardian leak and they can jog on if that's anything other opening haggling position. And Macron can doubley jog on if he. isn't going to represent on behalf of his fishermen, coz they can and have blockaded.

 

[Marty1]

A good example of just how utterly pointless the EU can be:

EU rule means you will need insurance for ride-on lawnmowers and tractors

Boris Johnson urged to scrap law which leaves homeowners facing prosecution for driving any 'vehicle' without insurance on own property

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Serge Forward]

Can someone please just ban this vile cunt?

 

[ska invita]

He has legitimate concerns about lawn mowers

 

[two sheds]

Yeh just wait till he's run down by a lawnmower, blades on them give nasty cuts. Then he'll change his mind.

 

[Marty1]

He has legitimate concerns about lawn mowers

Not sure why the EU are deeming insurance is required for lawnmowers and golf carts when used on private property (which they are primarily used for) tho?

 

[Shechemite]

Who the fuck owns a golf cart

 

[Artaxerxes]

Not sure why the EU are deeming insurance is required for lawnmowers and golf carts when used on private property (which they are primarily used for) tho?

BBC News - Ride-on lawnmowers 'injure thousands every year'

news.bbc.co.uk

"These aren't accidents, their throwing themselves into the lawn!"

 

[Smangus]

Be interesting to see how Boris's cavalier approach to the Irish border is recieved in Washington. That might scupper any deal he wants.

 

[editor]

For fuck's sake. This wasn't on the side of the cunty bullshitting bus

Brexit is set to have cost the UK more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year — a figure that almost eclipses the total amount the UK has paid toward the European Union budget over the past 47 years.

According to research by Bloomberg Economics, the cost of the UK's vote to leave has already reached £130 billion, with a further £70 billion likely to be added by the end of 2020.

The analysis, by the economist Dan Hanson, found that business uncertainty had caused the UK's economic growth to lag behind that of other G7 countries since the 2016 vote.

That means the British economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the UK had not voted to leave the EU.

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

Brexit has already cost the UK £130 billion in lost growth since 2016, research by Bloomberg found.

www.businessinsider.com