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Nuclear option, don't fucking leave the EU.
Yeah there are flaws regarding the EU, but there are no benefits in leaving, none.
Oh hang on it pleases those who sing #two world wars and one world cup, there ain't no black in the Union Jack#.
 
Fun that all this banging on about British Sovereignty does look likely to lead to the 'loss' of Northern Ireland and reunification. So, as we say, there clearly could be benefits :)

The same bloke seems to be an anti-vaxxer which nobody seems to have noticed, saying that we have a natural immunity to diseases and he doesn't believe in vaccines to override that natural immunity. I have mentioned smallpox and polio but no reply so far.
 
two sheds said:
Can I just check something (argument elsewhere)?

The British Government will have to decide that the Irish border (and we have to have one because we won't be members of the EU so there'll have to be a border between EU and not-EU) will have to be either:

a) in the middle of the Irish Sea in which case the DUP will be pissed off and the Brexit idea of 'sovereignty' is fucked because we have a border between England and N. Ireland

b) on the border between Eire and NI in which case the Good Friday agreement is fucked and we risk going back to 'the troubles'

Anything other than that risks (for example) salmonella type meat exports coming in from the US to Britain and across the border to Eira and so on to the EU?

No other possibilities?
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customs union and/or SM. beyond that, there are no other possibilities.
And the Tories have known that ever siince they signed the WA, which makes their brazen BS over the IMB and NI even more laughable. They're caught.
 
inva said:
The slaughter in the med, a 'flaw'
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Yes. More than a flaw a disgrace.
So the answer is to rush into the arms of those in favour of brexit?
Because there ain't no black in the Union Jack?
Bollocks to that, the UK alone is far nastier than the wider EU, have you been paying attention to Priti Patel lately?
When that 16 year old perished in the channel did you see the reaction of the Daily Mail readers?
Those who justify brexit in terms of the crisis in the Mediterranean are in my view insincere, and casting around for a way to excuse their stupidity.
Maybe I am in a minority of one on this.
 
philosophical said:
What is over? That the whole of the UK will leave the EU on equal terms as indicated on the voting slip you reference?
Because you're wrong.
Deal with it.
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Except that's not what I'm saying at all, is it?
It's going to be truly shitty, and especially so for the most disadvantaged part of the UK, and nothing good can come of Brexit (other than Scottish independence and Irish ereunification, and then only indirectly).
But Leave won, there is zero appetite for a second referendum, and that result has to be honoured.
To not do so would have even worse consequences.
The only option left is for Brexit to play out, people to realise how completely they've been stitched up, and (hopefully) for public opinion to significantly shift.
Brecit has happened, and is going to happen, whatever you or I may feel about it.
 
philosophical said:
So the answer is to rush into the arms of those in favour of brexit?
Because there ain't no black in the Union Jack?
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Stop creating these ridiculous straw men. No one is making the argument that you suggest, and it's simply untrue to say that racism and xenophobia were the core motivations for all of the 17.4 million who voted Leave.
it's these sort of crap debating tactics that contributed so much to the defeat of Remain.
 
philosophical said:
Yes. More than a flaw a disgrace.
So the answer is to rush into the arms of those in favour of brexit?
Because there ain't no black in the Union Jack?
Bollocks to that, the UK alone is far nastier than the wider EU, have you been paying attention to Priti Patel lately?
When that 16 year old perished in the channel did you see the reaction of the Daily Mail readers?
Those who justify brexit in terms of the crisis in the Mediterranean are in my view insincere, and casting around for a way to excuse their stupidity.
Maybe I am in a minority of one on this.
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Suggest the murderous policies of the EU are more than just a case of it having its flaws and you're a Daily Mail reading racist. Desperate stuff.
 
Streathamite said:
Stop creating these ridiculous straw men. No one is making the argument that you suggest, and it's simply untrue to say that racism and xenophobia were the core motivations for all of the 17.4 million who voted Leave.
it's these sort of crap debating tactics that contributed so much to the defeat of Remain.
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I am intrigued by your use of the word 'core'.
Are you aware of all the Mail and Express headlines, and the Farage breaking point poster?
Perhaps you would like to suggest what was more central and core to the motivations of brexit voters.
A United Ireland?
 
inva said:
Your words: "Yeah there are flaws regarding the EU" I commented it's more than flawed and you implied I'm a racist and started going on about the Daily Mail. I don't see how I've misrepresented you.
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You said that the Mediterranean crisis was more than a flaw, and I added it was/is a disgrace.
I did not imply you were a racist...unless I suppose you voted for brexit so that might have been what motivated you, and I don't know how you voted in the referendum so I wouldn't know what you are.
 
philosophical said:
You said that the Mediterranean crisis was more than a flaw, and I added it was/is a disgrace.
I did not imply you were a racist...unless I suppose you voted for brexit so that might have been what motivated you, and I don't know how you voted in the referendum so I wouldn't know what you are.
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You appeared to agree with my criticism and then followed it up with this:
philosophical said:
So the answer is to rush into the arms of those in favour of brexit?
Because there ain't no black in the Union Jack?
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That reads like implying racism to me. So... you don't know anything about me but responded to me attacking the EU's treatment of refugees by suggesting I might support brexit out of racism.
I did vote to leave the EU.
 
inva said:
You appeared to agree with my criticism and then followed it up with this:

That reads like implying racism to me. So... you don't know anything about me but responded to me attacking the EU's treatment of refugees by suggesting I might support brexit out of racism.
I did vote to leave the EU.
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Yeah. Followed it up with two questions.
Not two implications.
When you voted to leave the EU what was your plan for the land border in Ireland?
 
Brexit looks like delivering for fans of chlorinated chickens!

An obscure rule is to be used to deny MPs a crucial vote aimed at blocking imports of chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef, sparking fresh fears about food quality after Brexit.
Ministers are facing fierce criticism over their tactic to defeat an attempt to give powers to a new watchdog – amid suspicions that future trade deals, particularly with the US, will water down food and animal welfare standards.
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www.independent.co.uk

Anger as ministers use obscure rule to deny MPs a vote on blocking chlorinated chicken

Exclusive: Ministers attacked for ‘unbelievable’ tactic to thwart expected Tory revolt to protect food standards
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
philosophical said:
Yeah. Followed it up with two questions.
Not two implications.
When you voted to leave the EU what was your plan for the land border in Ireland?
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OK you just innocently asked me if I'm a racist in response to me attacking the EU's treatment of refugees :rolleyes: no implication there.
Why would I have a plan for the land border in Ireland? This might surprise you but I don't expect to be consulted during the negotiations.
 
I know a handful of lefties locally who voted for Brexit, some of whom have subsequently changed their minds. All the rest voted against it. A very large percentage of right wing Brexiteers locally are overtly nationalistic, quite a few overtly racist. I know people who were disappointed by Brexit because it hasn't stopped immigration from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (they're also just a tad ignorant).
Brexit is and was a right-wing enterprise. Nothing more. Nothing less. There was and is nothing democratic about it. So don't let people forget those facts when it all goes to pot.
 
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