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[Pickman's model]

Indeed; as a niche passtime I tend to follow all the tory MPs where my extended family still live.

even after they got injunctions against you?

 

[Marty1]

It was the whole point of brexit, divide and conquer, the oldest trick in the book, and some on the left fell for it.

Really?

A Tory conspiracy?

 

[Dogsauce]

I find it hard these days to believe anybody in the tory party these days is capable of conspiracy. Half of them can barely tie their own laces.

 

[brogdale]

I find it hard these days to believe anybody in the tory party these days is capable of conspiracy. Half of them can barely tie their own laces.

All too true, but let's not forget that anti(then)EEC sentiment has been a well organised & funded lobbying faction within the right party of capital at least since 1961; yes, a full 12 years before the UK's actual accession. So, if not a conspiracy, the more nationalistic, nostalgic, free-market fundamentalist and kleptocratic elements within the Tory party have long seen the political and economic advantage to their class of pursuing an anti supra state campaign.

 

[Pickman's model]

All too true, but let's not forget that anti(then)EEC sentiment has been a well organised & funded lobbying faction within the right party of capital at least since 1961; yes, a full 12 years before the UK's actual accession. So, if not a conspiracy, the more nationalistic, nostalgic, free-market fundamentalist and kleptocratic elements within the Tory party have long seen the political and economic advantage to their class of pursuing an anti supra state campaign.

now they have what they wanted they find that sometimes you should be careful what you wish for

 

[brogdale]

now they have what they wanted they find that sometimes you should be careful what you wish for

They haven't quite yet got the bit they want, though. Hence all the toy throwing.

 

[brogdale]

I see it was "chaos with" Ed Miliband who took down Johnson's tissue of lies today, then?

 

[Marty1]

I find it hard these days to believe anybody in the tory party these days is capable of conspiracy. Half of them can barely tie their own laces.

They certainly seem to have stopped the EU conspiracy to prevent us shipping food to NI.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

They certainly seem to have stopped the EU conspiracy to prevent us shipping food to NI.

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"not agreeing to adhere to subsequent rules something la di la something because the EU FASCISTS la di la something" in the talks

 

[Ax^]

hmm still pondering how much british food is exported to NI

is it not the other way around

 

[Raheem]

I see it was "chaos with" Ed Miliband who took down Johnson's tissue of lies today, then?

I'm really confused about that. Did Milliband being a really effective communicator somehow get wiped from my memory, is it the contrast with Starmer playing havoc with my expectations, or is it that he's fine if you give him an open goal?

 

[Ax^]

I'm really confused about that. Did Milliband being a really effective communicator somehow get wiped from my memory, is it the contrast with Starmer playing havoc with my expectations, or is it that he's fine if you give him an open goal?

has he not reported having a stutter/stammer

guessing having a open goal is easier

 

[brogdale]

I'm really confused about that. Did Milliband being a really effective communicator somehow get wiped from my memory, is it the contrast with Starmer playing havoc with my expectations, or is it that he's fine if you give him an open goal?

Strange days.

 

[tommers]

This country is such a fucking shithole.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I'm really confused about that. Did Milliband being a really effective communicator somehow get wiped from my memory, is it the contrast with Starmer playing havoc with my expectations, or is it that he's fine if you give him an open goal?

He was always ok but he was deeply committed to working with the Labour right and made overtures towards the Labour left by not actually calling them cunts and offering mild socialism in small doses in his manifesto. Unprecedented attempt at unity there.

Both sides hated him as a result and wanted rid up until the month before the actual for real date of the 2015 GE.

The press loathed him and made him into a figure of fun with a silly voice and a commie dad.

 

[krtek a houby]

They certainly seem to have stopped the EU conspiracy to prevent us shipping food to NI.

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I think you mean the occupied 6 counties.

 

[Streathamite]

I see it was "chaos with" Ed Miliband who took down Johnson's tissue of lies today, then?

He absolutely thumped him. Tbf, it was aterrific speech.

 

[two sheds]

forensic

 

[two sheds]

Brexit: internal market bill passes by 77 votes amid Tory party tension

30 Tory MPs abstain and two vote against controversial bill which will break international law

www.theguardian.com

not that many tories with a backbone then

 

[Streathamite]

Of course boosting right wing nationalism in favour of class conflict would be absurd and frankly terrible. But who is doing or arguing such? (Besides perhaps the RCG wankers)

ermm...RCG or RCP? There's a fair differfence (the RCG were the bunch who infiltrated, completely took over, and then completely dicked over the City of London Anti Apartheid group)

 

[Streathamite]

Brexit: internal market bill passes by 77 votes amid Tory party tension

30 Tory MPs abstain and two vote against controversial bill which will break international law

www.theguardian.com

not that many tories with a backbone then

Nope. No surprise. However, the Lords may pan out to be a different story

 

[PTK]

ermm...RCG or RCP? There's a fair differfence (the RCG were the bunch who infiltrated, completely took over, and then completely dicked over the City of London Anti Apartheid group)

I suppose we have to give the RCG credit for still existing, don't we?

 

[Streathamite]

I suppose we have to give the RCG credit for still existing, don't we?

if we must.....

 

[PTK]

if we must.....

When I were a lad, there were at least three Arseies, the Arsey Gee, the Arsey Pee, and the Arsey Ell. The latter two Arseies are no more.

 

[PTK]

if we must.....

When I were a lad, there were at least three Arseies, the Arsey Gee, the Arsey Pee, and the Arsey Ell. The latter two Arseies are no more.

 

[PTK]

if we must.....

When I were a lad, there were at least three Arseies, the Arsey Gee, the Arsey Pee, and the Arsey Ell. The latter two Arseies are no more.

 

[two sheds]

yep three of them

 

[Streathamite]

When I were a lad, there were at least three Arseies, the Arsey Gee, the Arsey Pee, and the Arsey Ell. The latter two Arseies are no more.

So good, you said it three times!

 

[philosophical]

I caught an interview on newsnight with somebody I assumed was speaking for the EU.
The point she made is that the land border between two different systems has been the (as yet still unresolved) issue since the start of all this from the brexit vote.
There is no new stuff, the Irish border problem is there.
Wishing it wasn't because of whatever reason, or throwing a diplomatic or national tantrum about it is not going to change things. There will either be a deal that accommodates the conundrum or there won't.
The issue is the same one to conceive a workable solution for, whether you're a lexiteer, or a far right brexiteer.

 

[PTK]

So good, you said it three times!

My keyboard has a stutter.