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[Pickman's model]

So presumably the Lexiteers have plenty of cards to play in the years ahead as the EWTD is unravelled together with a roll back of breaks and holidays?

You think this will take years?

 

[brogdale]

Bregret from the Scottish Fishermen's Federation:

There is huge disappointment and a great deal of anger about your failure to deliver on promises made repeatedly to this industry. We will have another chance to revisit this in 2026, so there is much to do between now and then to prepare the ground for that. But for now, the priorities must be your government securing enough fish though the talks currently taking place with the EU and Norway for 2021 to, as a minimum, bridge the gap that your deal failed to, and acting immediately to stem the losses that are mounting up and compensate those businesses already affected.

Your sincerely

Elspeth Macdonald

Chief Executive, Scottish Fishermen’s Federation

 

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[Pickman's model]

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isn't the union flag upside down a sign of distress?

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe they should just race them around the local park then?

or indeed the local or nearest racetrack

 

[ska invita]

Bregret from the Scottish Fishermen's Federation:

SFF partly to blame here suggest Faisal " Scottish fisherman were always split between the ones seeing and wanting to grab the opportunity of lots more quota and those needing frictionless access for the most perishable of exports - but SFF were leading lights of former group... " <suggests a massive oversight if true.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Of course they left it out of the agreement

Seems to be a lot of outrage about this on Twitter whipped up by hack journalists on this. Worth remembering there is no 48 hour working week in practice and never has been.

I've had multiple jobs where I was made to sign a waiver of the right to a 48 hour work week at interview and told I wouldn't get the job if I didn't. Hilariously I was never actually asked to work more than 48 hours a week at any of them, it was just company policy to ask people to sign away their rights. The entire NHS, possibly the biggest single employer in the UK these days, is exempt from this 'protection'.

I'm not saying this purely for the sake of the argument - honestly! The Tories have been attacking workers rights for the last decade and they will continue to do so. We need to talk seriously about how they do that and how we respond. But we do also need to be realistic about what rights we have in practice and what rights the Tories are likely to attack.

 

[Roadkill]

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Brian Silvester is the bloke who wrote to David Cameron blaming gay marriage for storms and flooding, isn't he?

 

[Artaxerxes]

or indeed the local or nearest racetrack

Why do you hate Brexit, and indeed Britain?

We left the EU for freedom.

 

[Pickman's model]

We left the EU for freedom.

i never realised that venerable journal exerted so much influence on the nation

 

[teuchter]

Why do you hate Brexit, and indeed Britain?

Both of them are rubbish

 

[teqniq]

At a loss as to where exactly to put this but please sign and share:

Keep paid holidays. Don't scrap the Working Time Directive

Add your name to the petition to keep paid holidays:

platform.organise.org.uk

more on this here:

No.10 Refuses To Rule Out Post-Brexit Changes To 48-Hour Work Week

 

[The39thStep]

Seems to be a lot of outrage about this on Twitter whipped up by hack journalists on this. Worth remembering there is no 48 hour working week in practice and never has been.

I've had multiple jobs where I was made to sign a waiver of the right to a 48 hour work week at interview and told I wouldn't get the job if I didn't. Hilariously I was never actually asked to work more than 48 hours a week at any of them, it was just company policy to ask people to sign away their rights. The entire NHS, possibly the biggest single employer in the UK these days, is exempt from this 'protection'.

I'm not saying this purely for the sake of the argument - honestly! The Tories have been attacking workers rights for the last decade and they will continue to do so. We need to talk seriously about how they do that and how we respond. But we do also need to be realistic about what rights we have in practice and what rights the Tories are likely to attack.

The interesting thing about the WTD is how its its application varies across the EU and what its impact is on hours worked.


Source OECD average hours worked annually

 

[ska invita]

The interesting thing about the WTD is how its its application varies across the EU and what its impact is on hours worked.

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Source OECD

what happened exactly? my memory of it was the UK kicking up a fuss and refusing to sign up to it - hence the opt out paperwork as a compromise, whereas other countries (France for example?) did in full? is that right?

 

[The39thStep]

what happened exactly? my memory of it was the UK kicking up a fuss and refusing to sign up to it - hence the opt out paperwork as a compromise, whereas other countries (France for example?) did in full? is that right?

Don't know about exactly but my memory of it is about the same. Although over the years 15 more countries have applied the individual opt out . Despite the fact that in the EU's own survey 22 out of the 27 EU countries had breached one or another of the WTD’s rules no country has ended up being taken to the ECJ.

 

[TopCat]

isn't the union flag upside down a sign of distress?

Quoting stavers memes certainly is.

 

[TopCat]

Why do you hate Brexit, and indeed Britain?

We left the EU for freedom.

Show jumpers are cunts though...

 

[TopCat]

i never realised that venerable journal exerted so much influence on the nation

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Apparently a funny clutch have hold of freedom now.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

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The flag isn’t upside down.

 

[tommers]

The interesting thing about the WTD is how its its application varies across the EU and what its impact is on hours worked.

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Source OECD

What is that graph showing?

 

[weltweit]

I'd be up for nationalising the Scottish shellfish market and delivering a daily box of the people's langoustines to every family in the country whether they want 'em or not, but until that glorious day arrives what are they going to do with the fish that no-one wants to buy or eat here?

It is possible to export to the EU at the moment, you just have to get the paperwork right. Lots of smaller companies have managed it so it can't be that hard.

 

[mauvais]

what happened exactly? my memory of it was the UK kicking up a fuss and refusing to sign up to it - hence the opt out paperwork as a compromise, whereas other countries (France for example?) did in full? is that right?

Long term since I was au fait with the detail but France went further and implemented RTT which was or is a mandatory 35 hour maximum week.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It is possible to export to the EU at the moment, you just have to get the paperwork right. Lots of smaller companies have managed it so it can't be that hard.

Very much depends on what you are exporting, food needs a lot more paperwork than pencils.

 

[The39thStep]

What is that graph showing?

Sorry, average hours worked annually

 

[mauvais]

It is possible to export to the EU at the moment, you just have to get the paperwork right. Lots of smaller companies have managed it so it can't be that hard.

This is exactly what the government would love you to believe, just like how it would like us to believe that Covid transmission is entirely our own fault, rather than in both cases its shit decision making, communication, and delivery.

 

[weltweit]

Very much depends on what you are exporting, food needs a lot more paperwork than pencils.

Do you know what sort of paperwork the fishing folks would need?

 

[tommers]

Sorry, average hours worked annually

Ah OK. Cool. Ta.

 

[killer b]

Do you know what sort of paperwork the fishing folks would need?

do you?

 

[TopCat]

The flag isn’t upside down.

Having it upside down was always a low point for the NF back in the day.

 

[Supine]

Do you know what sort of paperwork the fishing folks would need?

They don't, or filling it in takes so long the catch gets spoiled.