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[AmateurAgitator]

i could watch speeches by john tyndall which wouldn't take much time out of my day but i don't want to. if you can't offer a positive reason to watch these videos beyond they're not that long then i don't think i'll bother

Don't then. I never said you HAD to watch them. But if others want to watch them they can. As I said, they are informative.

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't then. I never said you HAD to watch them. But if others want to watch them they can. As I said, they are informative.

yeh and yet you can't tell us when asked how they are informative or whether the information within them can be relied upon

 

[TopCat]

You could try watching the videos to find out, it doesn't take much time out of your day.

I think it's best if you give us a bit more.

 

[TopCat]

Brexit videos on youtube seem not likely to help much.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think it's best if you give us a bit more.

he'll offer enough rope

 

[SpackleFrog]

I appreciate this is probably going to enter the land of microscopic violins, but for a lot of the emergency services the WTD really was enforced (ie: truly voluntary opt-outs only which have to be annually reviewed) and its removal will allow this government to magically increase the number of ambulance personnel / cops / Trumptons available to them without paying overtime or having to recruit more staff.

I didn't know that about ambulance workers - so the opt out is reviewed annually? How come this differs from other NHS workers?

 

[Pickman's model]

ETA, your lot do get overtime, don’t they?

they famously do

 

[agricola]

My mate Mark is a GP, whilst a junior doctor at St George’s 70 hours was the normal working week, for a fixed wage, no overtime.

ETA, your lot do get overtime, don’t they?

For full time its 40 hours a week, averaged out over a period with almost everything* after that its overtime (so some weeks can be 60 but others much less, as low as 24). If you average over 48 during the same period then you have to either stop doing that or sign an opt-out. Overtime is only paid to PCs and Sergeants though.

I thought they'd done something to stop junior doctors working those sorts of hours?

* not the first half hour of any unplanned overtime

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

For full time its 40 hours a week, averaged out over a period with almost everything* after that its overtime (so some weeks can be 60 but others much less, as low as 24). If you average over 48 during the same period then you have to either stop doing that or sign an opt-out. Overtime is only paid to PCs and Sergeants though.

I thought they'd done something to stop junior doctors working those sorts of hours?

* not the first half hour of any unplanned overtime

Seems there was talk of reducing doctors’ hours, but the way the hierarchy works in that world it is considered poor form to try and save lives when you are not hallucinating with exhaustion.

 

[SpackleFrog]

For full time its 40 hours a week, averaged out over a period with almost everything* after that its overtime (so some weeks can be 60 but others much less, as low as 24). If you average over 48 during the same period then you have to either stop doing that or sign an opt-out. Overtime is only paid to PCs and Sergeants though.

I thought they'd done something to stop junior doctors working those sorts of hours?

* not the first half hour of any unplanned overtime

The New Deal or whatever they called it says JD's must not work more than 56 hours a week.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I think it's best if you give us a bit more.

You can think what you like

 

[teuchter]

You can think what you like

Why not make a YouTube video explaining why the other ones are worth watching. Then post that here. Then wait for petulant demands that you explain that one too. And so on.

 

[Pickman's model]

The New Deal or whatever they called it says JD's must not work more than 56 hours a week.

Yeh but that can be changed easy enough, it's not set in stone

 

[Badgers]

 

[two sheds]

Because there have been so fucking many barefaced lies by the duplicitous fuck.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yeh but that can be changed easy enough, it's not set in stone

I mean, no rules are set in stone!

 

[Badgers]

Perhaps he hadn’t actually read the deal. What had been a “a remarkable achievement” a few days before, now required seafood businesses to be “compensated accordingly”. It is clear that Johnson’s fisheries deal is unwinding quicker than a trawler winch with a faulty ratchet.

Fishermen’s trade bodies accuse Johnson of lying to them

Fishing trade organisations have accused Johnson of negotiating a “desperately poor” deal for them.

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

 

[Badgers]

UK fish exporters are unable to sell into European markets because of delays at borders and complain that Boris Johnson and others misled them about Brexit. Leading supermarket chains are warning ministers of food shortages in Northern Ireland because of new border rules and bureaucracy. And small UK companies such as Paul’s, which thrived as part of the EU single market, are saying they may have no future at all in exporting into continental Europe because of the crippling new costs.

Shock Brexit charges are hurting us, say small British businesses | Brexit | The Guardian

Levies to cover the increase in red tape, VAT and customs declarations are hitting trade to the European Union

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Artaxerxes]

Shock Brexit charges are hurting us, say small British businesses | Brexit | The Guardian

Levies to cover the increase in red tape, VAT and customs declarations are hitting trade to the European Union

amp.theguardian.com

 

[two sheds]

I wonder who Jonathan Saxty voted for in the election

 

[mauvais]

I said that this grenade would be a problem once I pulled the pin out of it, and now look...

 

[Roadkill]

The logical knots these people will tie themselves in to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions are incredible.

 

[mauvais]

The full article is here: We Brexiteers are being blamed for the problems we warned about

Brexiteers didn't warn us about shit - they argued that none of it mattered because some other bullshit invention like WTO no deal, and of all the people to give the fewest fucks about Northern Ireland...

 

[Pickman's model]

I mean, no rules are set in stone!

That's not true. There's the yard rule set in stone in Trafalgar square

 

[teqniq]

Fishermen’s trade bodies accuse Johnson of lying to them

Fishing trade organisations have accused Johnson of negotiating a “desperately poor” deal for them.

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

Have they only just noticed that lying is his default mode?

 

[Pickman's model]

Now that is a coronavirus haircut

 

[TopCat]

That's not true. There's the yard rule set in stone in Trafalgar square

Superb.

 

[alex_]

ah yes, I remember now that the brexiteers have spent the last 5 years telling us that brexit was really complicated and there would be winners and losers, it was a totally different bunch of people who said that trite bullshit like “wto terms” would fix everything.

 

[two sheds]

I mean, no rules are set in stone!

 

[SpackleFrog]

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Were they rules?