littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He was a notorious kidder. Never walked. Stood his ground once after he'd edged it to second slip.
The Ashes 2019
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Australian crowds booed Stuart Broad for
years after he refused to walk one time. I personally think captaining a side full of cheats and bringing the game into disrepute is worse than that.
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
Shades of Devon Malcolm and the "History Guys"?
There are many forms of cheating and sharp practice in all sports. Smith and the others were caught and punished for it. An initial frosty reception for them and some patomime villain booing - fair enough. Sustaining it when a bloke who's played superbly comes back out after a painful injury is just immature and rather pathetic in my view. Furthermore, I doubt the type of individuals who were booing would be too choosy if one of their own players managed to win this game for England by cheating.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, and given Australian history for not walking, that was absurd. Didn't like what Broad did much tbh, but I did like how he took the nasty stick he got. He went up in my estimation for that - being smashed in the face may have finished him as a batsman, but that concerted campaign against him didn't affect him in the slightest.
But let's not get too high-horse about this. Remember Athers and the dirt in the pockets? Still a sore point with him apparently, decades later. The Australian overreaction was itself as absurd as the anti-Broad stick - somehow they had a self-image as 'hard but fair'. Nobody else in the world thought that. No other team in the world would have banned players like that either.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Hard to feel to full of glee given how it came about, but it is certainly big news.
"the short turnaround to the next Test is not in his favour"
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No surprise re Smith. I still don't agree with concussion subs, but there it is, they will get one. Labuschange's been making tons of runs for Glamorgan as well, so a decent sub.
Question has to be asked: who in that dressing room should have told Smith not to come back out to bat? It was obvious he wasn't right from the first ball he mowed through cow corner. He really shouldn't have come back out.
Question has to be asked: who in that dressing room should have told Smith not to come back out to bat? It was obvious he wasn't right from the first ball he mowed through cow corner. He really shouldn't have come back out.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Jinx time. Stokes is scoring more runs but looks loose. Buttler is scoring fewer runs but looks rock-solid. Very impressed by Buttler this morning. Australia defensive from the start, which is pretty surprising.
Sadly, we may be slipping towards a draw here, though.
ETA: And as I type that, Buttler edges one through gully for four.
England getting the luck so far this morning.
Sadly, we may be slipping towards a draw here, though.
ETA: And as I type that, Buttler edges one through gully for four.
England getting the luck so far this morning.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Like for like replacement indeed.
Mogden
I like tea
Tailenders isn't far behind.
Shipping Forecast?
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Can we have Pavel Florin at an exhibition match please
Having watched the video I think it should be noted his bowling action's better than mine...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Hmmm. He's now looking like a replacement in another sense. Playing well here, the sub.
Mogden
I like tea
The Archers
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
A draw is a draw but England got a lot out of this.
Namely Jofra Archer.
He should have played the first test. Gillespie said he was fit. Anderson wasn’t. And so far it’s arguable we’ve played, if not everyone, then certainly the majority of what ‘batsmen’ we have out of position. As well as some, at least one, who shouldn’t have played at all.
In a way it’s the same old story. Selection woes. You never know, they might get it right one day. Once.
But for now we have a fearsome fast bowler who has put their captain, the greatest batsman there is, out of the game. While managing to hit just about every other one of their batsmen. And putting the fear of God into them. And take 5 wickets at 18.2. In 44 overs. 44 overs for a bloke they reckoned wasn’t fit two weeks ago. Go figure.
Upwards and onwards. With just a little more optimism than before. Four days to the next test. Four days for Smith to recover. That’s not a lot. Four days for Archer to get his breath back. That’s not a lot. Let’s hope we win the toss and bat first and give him another day by batting well.
But neither of these teams are batting well. Roy out. Root back at 4. Archer back at 90mph. And we have a chance.
Namely Jofra Archer.
He should have played the first test. Gillespie said he was fit. Anderson wasn’t. And so far it’s arguable we’ve played, if not everyone, then certainly the majority of what ‘batsmen’ we have out of position. As well as some, at least one, who shouldn’t have played at all.
In a way it’s the same old story. Selection woes. You never know, they might get it right one day. Once.
But for now we have a fearsome fast bowler who has put their captain, the greatest batsman there is, out of the game. While managing to hit just about every other one of their batsmen. And putting the fear of God into them. And take 5 wickets at 18.2. In 44 overs. 44 overs for a bloke they reckoned wasn’t fit two weeks ago. Go figure.
Upwards and onwards. With just a little more optimism than before. Four days to the next test. Four days for Smith to recover. That’s not a lot. Four days for Archer to get his breath back. That’s not a lot. Let’s hope we win the toss and bat first and give him another day by batting well.
But neither of these teams are batting well. Roy out. Root back at 4. Archer back at 90mph. And we have a chance.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I advocated Root at 3 but I now kind of agree that is probably a mistake in this team. Roy out, Sibley in. I hope they are big enough to admit their mistake over that. I suspect that they will not be and that, barring injuries/knackeredness, the team for Thursday will be unchanged.
Lots of positives. Buttler only scored 31 today but he batted very well. Proper test batting through a crucial period. Stokes rode his luck to come through with a brilliant century. Leach is a test-quality bowler to match up very well with Lyon. Burns is a battler. Flawed, yes, but he appears mentally good. Denly might come good at some point. Root will come good at some point. Bairstow might be coming good. Broad has his Ashes mojo. Archer really is every bit as good as we all thought he would be. But Root needs to learn to say 'enough' when Archer himself says 'more'.
I suspect Smith won't play on Thursday. only problem is that Labuschange really looked rather good today. Should have been playing anyway.
Lots of positives. Buttler only scored 31 today but he batted very well. Proper test batting through a crucial period. Stokes rode his luck to come through with a brilliant century. Leach is a test-quality bowler to match up very well with Lyon. Burns is a battler. Flawed, yes, but he appears mentally good. Denly might come good at some point. Root will come good at some point. Bairstow might be coming good. Broad has his Ashes mojo. Archer really is every bit as good as we all thought he would be. But Root needs to learn to say 'enough' when Archer himself says 'more'.
I suspect Smith won't play on Thursday. only problem is that Labuschange really looked rather good today. Should have been playing anyway.
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
Surely you've just answered your own objection to concussion substitutes? As a traditionalist I'd rather not have them, but ban them and you'll be encouraging people to solder on when they "really shouldn't", risking more serious damage.
I can't see many, if any, changes for the third Test. Roy has predictably failed to come good as a Test opener in mostly bowler-friendly English conditions. You could argue whether he and one or two others might do better batting in a different position, or whether they should be there at all. Dom Sibley, one of the few obvious alternatives, made a duck for Warwickshire against Somerset in the first round of Championship matches for a month, despite his team scoring 303/4. James Vince made 47 batting at 3 for Hampshire at The Oval - he still seems to have a remarkable number of advocates among the ex-players in the press box despite never really convincing on previous evidence and being a rather poor understudy to Roy in the recent World Cup.
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
I had no problem with the English fans booing Smith at Edgbaston. He got caught cheating, it was his first test back after his suspension, and getting razzed by the crowd was completely to be expected. I don't even have any problem with them booing when he came out to bat at Lords. But booing a guy AFTER he's taken a 90-mph delivery to the head is pretty fucked up.Those people would have booed Don Bradman too
They're a national embarrassment TBH
Smith may or may not miss the next test, but I can live with him missing it if he's not feeling well. My bigger concern is whether this incident with affect him mentally when he does come back.
As it turns out, no, although Labuschagne turned out to be a pretty decent substitute. I think the Aussies need to dump Warner. In addition to his woeful batting, he's having trouble catching the damn ball as well.
His bowling was completely fair. It was an amazing spell of fast bowling. I still don't get your last sentence, though. If you think that Archer wasn't going to bowl fast and fierce and short, no matter what happened to him at the crease, you're crazy.
Lucky for England they didn't take your advice.
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
Exactly. There's something substantively different about concussion, and some very good reasons why you want to have systems in place that mitigate the natural tendency of highly-competitive sportsmen and sports teams to keep playing when they're injured. That's why they have concussion protocols in rugby and American football as well.
Keep going after you've sprained an ankle or pulled a hamstring and the physical nature of the injury itself will slow you down, and the worst thing that happens is that you fuck up your leg even more. But keep going with a concussion, and you put yourself at risk of some really debilitating long-term consequences.
OzT
Online early mornings when at work ....
Phew that was a great game, and but lucky for us, think we had to use our get out of jail card bit too early in the series.
Hope Smith is ok for rest of the tour. A great find in Archer, see if England now start preparing fast pitches. Be a great series, always is when fast bowlers are on song.
Think Warner has been having a bad series, dropped a few crucial catches and not scoring much. Be interesting if he's opening the third test. I reckon so, maybe his last chance to score?
Looking foward already to Thursday, though not wishing my life away!!
Hope Smith is ok for rest of the tour. A great find in Archer, see if England now start preparing fast pitches. Be a great series, always is when fast bowlers are on song.
Think Warner has been having a bad series, dropped a few crucial catches and not scoring much. Be interesting if he's opening the third test. I reckon so, maybe his last chance to score?
Looking foward already to Thursday, though not wishing my life away!!
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
James Taylor was watching at the Oval yesterday. Heard an ex intl say Roy will get the whole series but perhaps move to 3. Don't know if they think Denly would open instead with others dropping down or be dropped.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That would be consistent with England selection in recent years. A favoured player fails in his allotted role, so someone else gets dropped as a result. See also bowlers losing their place following a collective batting failure.
My guess is that they won't make any unforced changes for the next test. But if Roy fails again, I really can't see how they can justify giving him any more chances. It's not just his numbers, it's the manner of the dismissals, and also the manner of the play leading up to the dismissals. And dropping catches doesn't help either.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Squad just announced as being the same. I can't see Curran forcing his way in (he's not going to replace Roy is he) so presumably an unchanged team as well.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yeah. Along the lines of 'we gave it a damn good go this time so nothing much can be wrong'. England selection policy all over. As LBJ says, one poor bowler takes 1-90 while the team score two low scores and that bowler is more often than not straight out.
