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The Ashes 2019

The manner of the defeat hurts most. They didn't even get to tea.

Roy has now been bowled attempting an almighty heave twice in four test innings. He got absolutely nowhere near the ball today. Given the match situation that's not really forgivable. If it had gone for six, so what? Just one more ball seen off. Ego before team. I can't really explain it any other way. It's mind set. Collingwood was a good odi player and he could switch to block mode when required. Seen ab de villiers do it too. Why not Roy? No excuses. Not good enough.
 
Bit of a turnaround from 8/123 on day 1.

How much do we blame Anderson for this?
I can't believe he was allowed to play without a vigorous fitness test, and if he wasn't tested properly that probably means he told the coaches and physios he wasn't 100% and they decided to take the gamble. These days it's not going to be as simple as the player just sending down a few overs in the nets and saying, "no problem, I'm good to play". With all the modern bleep tests, technological analysis, use of performance data etc. I can't believe he could have winged it in a fitness test without anyone else realising. Frankly I thought it was ominous when we were told he could have played against Ireland if he'd really needed to. If he could have played that game he should have done, given that he'd already been out for about a month. The tension and adrenalin of a Test match can't be replicated in any fitness test and I suspect that made him strain a bit too hard and break down again. I just hope that's not the end of the series and possibly even his Test career.

I don't expect many changes for Lord's as that's not a habit of these selectors. Presumably Archer (or Curran, or Stone) replaces Anderson. If Ali bowled as hopelessly as reported he should be replaced by Leach. I guess Denly could be vulnerable, Roy would ideally be batting at 5 if he's there at all, and I can't believe there's no one who can do a better job as captain than Root whose batting form seems to have declined with the responsibility.

Personally I'd have made more changes before now but I reckon a fairly similar team will get the chance to redeem themselves next week, but if we lose that one I can't see any way back without a wholesale rebuild. Many of these players have been part of some dismal tours overseas but if they're going to start getting hammered at home it's high time for change. There are people like Foakes Leach and Curran who've come in as debutants and made a big impression in games we've won, then been squeezed out again while the usual suspects fail to deliver.
 
Archer has to come in. He's playing a 2nd 11 match currently so he'll be in if he comes through that. I also fear that could be that for anderson. Pretty sure he was going to retire after this series, looking at the winter schedule. Hope it doesn't end like this but few players get to finish like cook did.
 
Archer for Anderson.

Learn the lesson of being a bowler short in case of injury, so Curran for Bairstow.

Moeen, completely devoid of form. Leach in.

Denly, just not up to it. Sibley in, Roy down the order.

Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Curran
Leach
Broad
Archer
 
You can't pick six bowlers in case one breaks down. England might have survived Anderson breaking down if moeen hadn't had a shocker. Woakes at seven is too high.

I don't mind dropping Barstow but for foakes not Curran. Foakes has the highest test batting average of any England player in the last 12 months! Stupid move to drop him in the first place.
 
“We don’t have to make any shotgun decisions in terms of selection” - Root

You won’t see wholesale change. Probably just Moeen and the injured Anderson.
 
“We don’t have to make any shotgun decisions in terms of selection” - Root

You won’t see wholesale change. Probably just Moeen and the injured Anderson.
That would be my guess. Leach for Moeen, Archer for Anderson. Don't agree with it particularly, but that's what they'll do.
 
But he does average 43 at home.

Regardless, YJB is going nowhere, so that debate is redundant.
He's a useful lower-order batsman, but seven is a proper batsman's spot. I like Woakes at eight, at seven much less.

Of course there is a debate about whether the proper batsmen are proper batsmen.
 
Archer for Anderson.

Learn the lesson of being a bowler short in case of injury, so Curran for Bairstow.

Moeen, completely devoid of form. Leach in.

Denly, just not up to it. Sibley in, Roy down the order.

Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Curran
Leach
Broad
Archer
Pretty much what I'd have picked assuming Archer is fit. I'd pick two from Leach/Curran/Stone but not sure who. Slightly depends on the weather as Lords is more about swing and seam than spin - last year at Lords England played one spinner (Adil) who had a fresh air game - didn't bowl an over in two innings (and didn't bat either). 4 left-handers in the Aus top 6 plus short square boundaries at Lords may render the left-arm Leach innocuous. Curran would be a bit of a punt. Can't really see Root sanctioning the dropping of Bairstow either, sadly.
 
The manner of the defeat hurts most. They didn't even get to tea.

Roy has now been bowled attempting an almighty heave twice in four test innings. He got absolutely nowhere near the ball today. Given the match situation that's not really forgivable. If it had gone for six, so what? Just one more ball seen off. Ego before team. I can't really explain it any other way. It's mind set. Collingwood was a good odi player and he could switch to block mode when required. Seen ab de villiers do it too. Why not Roy? No excuses. Not good enough.
It was certainly fascinating to see Jason Roy's mode of dismissal part-way through the morning session when England needed to bat out the entire day to save the match.

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(Source: as stated in image)

"It should come as no surprise that batsmen who have been told to whack a white ball into the stands cannot bat the day out"

England left with red faces after neglecting Test cricket for years
 
I don't think Jason Roy has the technique to block all day tbh - it's not just an attitude thing is it, playing defensively is a skill and it's one that he's never practiced. I don't think Buttler or Bairstow are much better either. Really though the failure in this match wasn't in not being able to block out all day yesterday, it was in all the innings. Not being able to bowl them out from 122-8, then the middle order not being able to build a decent lead after being put in a strong position, then not being able to make a dent in their second innings after a decent start. Change any of those and England wouldn't have needed to block all day.
 
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Thing is, I don’t even think that was their best bowling attack. It was no surprise Lyon and Cummins took all the second innings wickets (and 16 between them in the match).

Our prospects look Starc. :(
 
Well it's only one test out of five, and though I am happy with the result, it has been pointed out, England won the WC after looking could have gone out in the round robin stage, so can come back from this defeat.

An attacking opener and top order can and has won games before, when it goes well it does suck the go out of the oppo bowlers. I don't think England became a bad side overnight, the skill is there, maybe change the spinner and bring in a fast bowler, but needs marshalling under a good skipper.

Looking forward to the Lords test. Hope weather stays dry for all the games.
 
Lords is ideal to pick leach give him 4 overs then say he's a failure.

I saw a stat somewhere that said if Smith had a weakness it was against left arm spin. As Smith (and the loss of Anderson) was the difference between the two teams and Leach is Englan's best spinner.. go figure.

Foakes should always have been in the team but it seems there is a reluctance to drop one of the dashing batsmen/keepers. Instead they added in another in Roy. If you're going to pick Surrey players, then Burns, Foakes and Curran.

Oh and drop Broad. Obviously.
 
You can't pick six bowlers in case one breaks down. England might have survived Anderson breaking down if moeen hadn't had a shocker. Woakes at seven is too high.

I don't mind dropping Barstow but for foakes not Curran. Foakes has the highest test batting average of any England player in the last 12 months! Stupid move to drop him in the first place.

Normally I'd agree (and I too would be happy to see Foakes play), but I fail to see how the batting gets worse by dropping Bairstow for Curran.

Stokes has spells as a top bowler, but in the first innings especially he was erratic. With no Anderson, we were basically down to Broad and Woakes, with Moeen ineffective on a first innings pitch yet to show much for the spinner and Stokes all over the place. It's debatable as to whether Stokes would be in the side if he didn't know which end of the bat to hold, so in my book an extra bowler might be a good thing, as long as it doesn't overly extend the tail.

Curran has looked good as a test bowler whenever he's been called upon and the left armer offers a decent alternative - when the tail was starting to wag (and how) from 122-8, it would have been good to have something different from right arm 80-85mph to try and break the partnership.
 
Normally I'd agree (and I too would be happy to see Foakes play), but I fail to see how the batting gets worse by dropping Bairstow for Curran.

Stokes has spells as a top bowler, but in the first innings especially he was erratic. With no Anderson, we were basically down to Broad and Woakes, with Moeen ineffective on a first innings pitch yet to show much for the spinner and Stokes all over the place. It's debatable as to whether Stokes would be in the side if he didn't know which end of the bat to hold, so in my book an extra bowler might be a good thing, as long as it doesn't overly extend the tail.

Curran has looked good as a test bowler whenever he's been called upon and the left armer offers a decent alternative - when the tail was starting to wag (and how) from 122-8, it would have been good to have something different from right arm 80-85mph to try and break the partnership.
Stokes is certainly a fourth seamer option, no more. He's very clearly a batting all-rounder and I hope to see him improve his batting average over the coming years. But I do think three full seamers plus stokes plus a spinner is enough. Adding one more seamer strikes me as overkill. I advocated six bowlers a couple of years ago, but that was when Moeen could still bat and was a way to get two spinners in.

I'm not totally convinced by Curran as a test bowler, tbh, and while I take your point that including him hardly weakens the batting, that's really an indictment of the batting more than an endorsement of Curran, who has never scored a first class hundred.

That's really the worry here - the top seven. There's one batsman averaging 49. Next come the mid-thirtysomethings - Bairstow, Buttler and Stokes, 35, 34 and 33 respectively. All established players so their averages are a pretty true statement of their worth, which is not quite what you want. Next come the twentysomethings - Denly, Roy and Burns. None established yet so you can't quite judge them on their averages, but all three have started their test careers poorly, and they're not youngsters - when a batsman is picked in his late 20s or early 30s, you really need him to hit the ground running in test cricket as he's not being picked on his promise.

So England only really have one proven high-quality test-class batsman, taking an average of 40 as the benchmark (you might also include 38-39, but not 35). Only one proven test-class top-order batsman (Root) has emerged in the last decade. That's one fuck of a famine, hence tolerating batsmen averaging in the mid-thirties, who would be struggling to keep their places in a stronger team. It's sobering to think that ten years ago we had seven proven high-quality test-class batsmen in the top seven.
 
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Oh for the days when we could moan that Cook and Strauss only had three shots between them, Pietersen couldn't play left-arm spin, Collingwood was ugly, Bell scored soft runs, Trott was boring. Little did we know.

Indeed. And I’m stating the obvious surely but this is all a consequence of the last four years being primarily aimed at the World Cup isn’t it? Good job we won it. (We did win it didn’t we? I seem to remember there being some grey areas).

I’m not sure where the players were going to come from to develop as test players anyway, but it smacks a bit of we haven’t really even tried, so devoted to that trophy as we became.
 
We get a bit muddled by the all-rounders, too. I don't think it's a coincidence that the greatest test teams in modern history (windies 70s/80s, Aus 90s/2000s) didn't include a single true all-rounder. Four front-line bowlers, one or two of whom can bat a little bit, a keeper who can bat, and one or two batsmen who can chip in with occasional spin/medium pace. And England's best team in recent decades - that one from ten years ago - had the same blueprint.

All-rounders are great, and there have been some truly great all-rounders, but the greatest teams haven't needed them.
 
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The problem with few English batsmen averaging 40+ is likely to worsen in the coming years. The county championship is the breeding ground for test cricketers and only 4 batsmen passed 1000 runs last year, down from 10 the previous year. Not a good sign. A foreshock of the 100.
 
Other countries still manage it, though. India still produces test batsmen even with the IPL. NZ has a very good crop of test batsmen, and still very nearly won the world cup. I've commented on this before, how I got the influence of t20 wrong - I feared it would ruin bowlers, but it's actually ruined batsmen. And yes, fuck knows what the moronic 100 will do. But it is possible to be good at both, or to specialise in red ball. England has more specialist red ball bowlers than batsmen. That's possibly the wrong way round.
 
That's not quite what I was referring to. The county championship is now a two part affair with a 5 week break in the middle (July/August) where the T20 mostly goes. Next year it'll be an extra week added to the gap and the 100 will go there (no idea where the T20 goes).

That's the best 5-6 weeks of the summer (possibly longer) when there's no red ball cricket which gets further shunted to the Spring/Autumn months where rain/bad light/strange pitches become a factor. Less chance for future test batsmen to hone their craft.

EDIT: Pretty sure the championship season used to last from May to early September with an MCC XI vs last year's champions and/or a Lions match in April. Might be mistaken. The championship season is now beginning of April to late September anyway.
 
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