The Ashes 2019

[Teaboy]

Obviously people can do what they want. Personally I wouldn't boo, I always think the silence treatment is much better, would be great if you could get a whole stadium to do it.

I also think its time to move on. Warner's a complete cunt and gets what he deserves but it would be a shame if Smith's and Bancroft's careers were defined by that thing. Lets face it all teams have done it to a greater or lesser extent its just they should have told Warner to fuck off when he brought sandpaper into it. Easier for Smith but Bancroft was just a kid.

Plus I don't like booing when someone gets a 50 or a 100, just ignore them if you don't want to clap. Surely no one thinks it was worthy of a lifetime ban?

 

[kabbes]

Obviously people can do what they want. Personally I wouldn't boo, I always think the silence treatment is much better, would be great if you could get a whole stadium to do it.

I also think its time to move on. Warner's a complete cunt and gets what he deserves but it would be a shame if Smith's and Bancroft's careers were defined by that thing. Lets face it all teams have done it to a greater or lesser extent its just they should have told Warner to fuck off when he brought sandpaper into it. Easier for Smith but Bancroft was just a kid.

Plus I don't like booing when someone gets a 50 or a 100, just ignore them if you don't want to clap. Surely no one thinks it was worthy of a lifetime ban?

It isn’t up to you or I to tell other people when it is time to forgive

 

[kabbes]

It was his girlfriend, and there's fair evidence that he didn't do it.

Well if it was his girlfriend that would be ok of course

Evidence he didn’t do it or just the usual difficulty in obtaining sufficient evidence that he did?

 

[Teaboy]

It isn’t up to you or I to tell other people when it is time to forgive

Obviously people can do what they want. Personally...

 

[kabbes]

It isn’t up to you or I to tell other people when it is time to forgive

Obviously people can do what they want.
Personally...

But

I also think its time to move on. ... it would be a shame if Smith's and Bancroft's careers were defined by that thing.

?

 

[Teaboy]

Yes. I think.

 

[kabbes]

Yes. I think.

Fair enough. Clearly others don’t think it’s time to move on and don’t think it would be a shame if Smith’s career was defined by it. Good to know that you endorse their right to think that.

 

[Spymaster]

Well if it was his girlfriend that would be ok of course

Now, you know that's not what I meant. Naughty naughty.

Evidence he didn’t do it or just the usual difficulty in obtaining sufficient evidence that he did?

That he didn't do it.

 

[kabbes]

Now, you know that's not what I meant. Naughty naughty.



That he didn't do it.

That’s it? A bit of hearsay from acquaintances leapt on by the fuckin’ Telegraph?

Think I’ll stick with the conclusion of the actual French legal system

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Have we not bowled the fucker out yet??

 

[Teaboy]

Fair enough. Clearly others don’t think it’s time to move on and don’t think it would be a shame if Smith’s career was defined by it. Good to know that you endorse their right to think that.

Give over kabbes The whole post was clearly just my thoughts. Have we got to the stage now where we have to preface every sentence not just post with 'in my opinion'.

But for the avoidance of doubt, others can believe and do what they like. I've moved on from thinking their cunts and wouldn't boo them, except Warner who can get to fuck.


Please note the views as expressed in this post are strictly those of the author.

 

[SpookyFrank]

If you don't want your career to be defined by cheating, don't cheat.

 

[kabbes]

Give over kabbes The whole post was clearly just my thoughts. Have we got to the stage now where we have to preface every sentence not just post with 'in my opinion'.

But for the avoidance of doubt, others can believe and do what they like. I've moved on from thinking their cunts and wouldn't boo them, except Warner who can get to fuck.


Please note the views as expressed in this post are strictly those of the author.

That’s fine except for the fact that the conversation you were responding to was explicitly about Boycott saying everybody should move on and me disagreeing that he has the right to tell them that. In that context, you can’t be surprised if I take you saying “I think it’s time to move on” as expressing support for Boycott’s position. It’s not like you expressed that statement out of nowhere.

Anyway, it would seem that we now have some common understanding so all is well.

 

[Spymaster]

That’s it? A bit of hearsay from acquaintances leapt on by the fuckin’ Telegraph?

Not just the Telegraph, it was a big story a few years ago. You've clearly made up your mind but had this woman tesified at the time and said what she was saying in 2015, I doubt he'd have been convicted.

 

[kabbes]

Not just the Telegraph, it was a big story a few years ago. You've clearly made up your mind but had this woman tesified at the time and said what she was saying in 2015, I doubt he'd have been convicted.

Yes but she didn’t testify. Why not? In fact, she waited seven years and then told the papers. She hasn’t told her story to anybody under oath and she hasn’t had her story cross-examined. And even if she had done so, it’s still just hearsay, which is the least reliable form of evidence.

“Ms Moore is said to have told a friend that rather than Boycott hitting her during a dispute, she had slipped on a marble floor and hit her head.

There was also a claim from an unidentified relative of Ms Moore that she did not believe Boycott had hit his former partner.”

And that’s what you’re relying on as evidence that the French legal justice system got it wrong.

 

[Teaboy]

Anyway, decent stand developing here. If Oz can get up over 200 and maybe even 220 - 230, they will consider that decent going on a tricky pitch.

 

[kabbes]

Goddamn our inability to knock over the tail enders

 

[Teaboy]

A decent spinner would be handy.

 

[Spymaster]

Yes but she didn’t testify. Why not?

Well we don't know when she was told or if she had the information at the time of the trial.

Anyway, I'm not going to hang my hat on this one. I think GB's a bit of a knob. Just pointing out that there's an element of doubt.

 

[kabbes]

Well we don't know when she was told or if she had the information at the time of the trial.

Anyway, I'm not going to hang my hat on this one. I think GB's a bit of a knob. Just pointing out that there's an element of doubt.

Think about what you’re swallowing here. An acquaintance with a totally unknown relationship with both Boycott and the victim makes a claim out of the blue seven years after the event, which she doesn’t have to substantiate in any way and which nobody has the opportunity to challenge. And that somehow undermines a complete legal process?

Would it reinforce the original verdict in your mind if another random person popped up and said that actually the victim had told him that it definitely did happen?

Also “element of doubt” (which I still think is way too strong) is a lot weaker than your original implication, which was that there was evidence the things he was convicted for were actually miscarriages of justice. I wouldn’t go anywhere near calling this “evidence” in any sense I would use the word without heavily caveating it.

 

[Spymaster]

Think about what you’re swallowing here. An acquaintance with a totally unknown relationship with both Boycott and the victim makes a claim out of the blue seven years after the event, which she doesn’t have to substantiate in any way and which nobody has the opportunity to challenge. And that somehow undermines a complete legal process?

Would it reinforce the original verdict in your mind if another random person popped up and said that actually the victim had told him that it definitely did happen?

Also “element of doubt” (which I still think is way too strong) is a lot weaker than your original implication, which was that there was evidence the things he was convicted for were actually miscarriages of justice. I wouldn’t go anywhere near calling this “evidence” in any sense I would use the word without heavily caveating it.

It was reported much later but she gave a statement to the French court in time for the the appeal:

Miss Sims-Steward’s key account of what Miss Moore told her came in a previously unpublished interview that backs up statements she gave to the French court in which she said Miss Moore told her her injuries were the result of “an accident”.

She said: “It wasn’t for some time afterwards that I became aware of what Geoffrey Boycott was saying, but when he did give his version of events it was exactly what Margaret had told me weeks before. So I know he didn’t hit her because she told me.

“Geoffrey’s solicitors included this in their defence papers for his appeal, but the French court really didn’t get why we were there. They couldn’t understand what the fuss was. In France you almost should be proud of it, that you are correcting your wife or girlfriend. It was a surreal experience.”

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Stop. Take it to another thread FFS!!!!

 

[kabbes]

So in contrast to your original statement, this was something of which the French court was aware when they made their decision?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Fuck this off to another thread for crying out loud!!!! Give me strength!!

 

[Spymaster]

So in contrast to your original statement, this was something of which the French court was aware when they made their decision?

I'm not sure if it was the original court, which that seems to suggest, or the appeal court. I haven't read up on this since 2015. I'm happy to do so again and to give you the argument you seem to be so keen on if you start another thread, and when I can be arsed to do the research.

 

[kabbes]

I'm not sure if it was the original court, which that seems to suggest, or the appeal court. I haven't read up on this since 2015. I'm happy to do so again and to give you the argument you seem to be so keen on if you start another thread, and when I can be arsed to do the research.

God no, I’m happy that I’ve made my point.

 

[Argonia]

Hold on so was Boycott guilty of domestic violence or not?

 

[Spymaster]

Hold on so was Boycott guilty of domestic violence or not?

He was convicted of such by a French court.

 

[kabbes]

Hold on so was Boycott guilty of domestic violence or not?

Boycott found guilty of assaulting woman friend

 

[kabbes]

Disappointing to take so long to pick up the 9th wicket but anything below 250 is better than I would have hoped, honestly.