The American mass shooting thread
- Thread starter Yuwipi Woman
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I've asked what evidence would be indicative of a causal link, and your response is evidence of a causal link. This is circular.
What additional evidence would lead you to believe that there may be a causal link that I have not already provided?
bemused
Well-Known Member
It's not circular it is a reasonable question.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
In other words you haven't an iota of evidence to support your actual claim about medication
Can we move on to the next of your ludicrous claims?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
That's the sort of question he particularly dislikes
YouSir
Retired from Urban
You're wrong there, wasting any time bothering to question squirrelp is inherently unreasonable.
The question is mine: what evidence would be necessary to suggest that psychotropic medication has a causal relationship with school shootings?
You can't answer with 'evidence of a causal association'. I am asking what such evidence would be.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Hey squirrelp, do you know lots of England cricketers have been on the meds you are making your claims about and as far as i can recall none of them have gone bonkers with a cricket bat.
Here's a tip, stick to cricket threads, maybe if you start to feel part of urban, you'll feel less alienated from society and you'll be less inclined to believe whatever lastest conspiracy bollocks you see on Youtube
Here's a tip, stick to cricket threads, maybe if you start to feel part of urban, you'll feel less alienated from society and you'll be less inclined to believe whatever lastest conspiracy bollocks you see on Youtube
bemused
Well-Known Member
An analysis of the mental health treatments of school mass murderers, compared to those without treatments; coupled with an analysis of all violent criminals mental health treatments.
gosub
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not been done.
gosub
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Dickey Amendment (1996) - Wikipedia <this needs to go.
AND
There would be no harm in mandatory filing with the FDA, the medical histories and toxicology relating to violent deaths.
AND
There would be no harm in mandatory filing with the FDA, the medical histories and toxicology relating to violent deaths.
Indeed you might think that there are some school shootings where the perpetrator was not taking psychotropic medication. But I have not come across one such example.
Just to clarify - this tragic event is no exception:
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bemused
Well-Known Member
How many mass murdering shooters did you look at?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Let's hope you do encounter such a person
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Well, the obvious thing would be to have a proper statistical survey of:
People who committed crimes of some suitable magnitude who were:
a) diagnosed with some form of mental illness
b) not diagnosed with some form of mental illness
c) being treated with an SSRI antidepressant
d) not being treated with an SSRI antidepressant
You would also need to look at a control population of people who had not committed such crimes, but belonged to the groupings above as well.
You would be looking for some degree of statistical correlation between the SSRI-takers and non-SSRI-takers in each group to identify trends which might suggest a link between mental illness alone and school shootings, or those with a mental illness who were being treated with an SSRI and school shootings.
Then, having done that, it would be useful to be able to posit some kind of causal factor between the different groups to attempt to identify some reason why the taking of SSRI antidepressants might lead to an increase of such behaviours (assuming such an increase was, in fact, observed), and to rule out confounding factors such as the issue being the underlying mental illness rather than the taking of the SSRI, or other common factors in each group which may themselves be correlative, but which were not immediately obvious (poverty, social group, family dynamics, other pathologies such as, say, ADHD or autism, sociopathic issues, performance in school tests, engagement with learning, etc).
That'd be a start.
Science isn't easy. The fact that you seem to think it is says a lot.
andysays
Love and solidarity
For the record, I have been diagnosed with a form of mental illness which has been treated with an SSRI antidepressant for about the past 20 years.
During that time I have managed to completely avoid any direct participation in mass shooting activities, in the US or elsewhere.
Hopefully squirrelp will accept this as irrefutable proof that his assertions about SSRI antidepressants causing the various American mass shootings are mistaken, and the thread can move on.
gosub
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I wouldn't be too fucked off if he doesn't, your post is a deductive fallacy (as have most of his). Or is that the point?
I also am (again) receiving mental health treatment
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Anecdotal evidence.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's good enough for squirrelp.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Likely.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
gosub
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theoretically possible...
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I have made no such fallacy.
My position is that psychotropic medications have a strongly causative relationship with school shootings. I don't need stone cold proof of that position in order to state it.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Why? In which case no scientist would ever share a hypothesis.Yes. Yes, really, you do.
I'm beginning to see where you're going wrong here
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