teqniq
DisMembered
I don't know how to break it to you... but the culture they grew up in?
(prompted mainly by the observations of spring-peeper and Ming in relation to the Buffalo shooting posted upthread so thank you
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I don't know how to break it to you... but the culture they grew up in?
(prompted mainly by the observations of spring-peeper and Ming in relation to the Buffalo shooting posted upthread so thank you
)
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Buffalo shooting: Ten dead in racially motivated attack at New York state store
An 18-year-old is charged over the New York state attack, which is being investigated as a racial hate crime.
www.bbc.com
this is a Racist terrorist attack scumbag drove 200 miles to a black area and had tactical gear live streamed the attack had body armour and a helmet and an armed security guard shot at him but was killed handgun vs assault rifle unless you are an outstanding shot is always going to go that way.
ten dead and the 18-year-old scumbag surrendered peacefully to police
.He'd painted the n word on the sights of his rifle and he's not being called a terrorist even wrote a manifesto
the killer mHe is being called a terrorist and this an act of terrorism.Buffalo shooting: Ten dead in racially motivated attack at New York state store
An 18-year-old is charged over the New York state attack, which is being investigated as a racial hate crime.www.bbc.com
this is a Racist terrorist attack scumbag drove 200 miles to a black area and had tactical gear live streamed the attack had body armour and a helmet and an armed security guard shot at him but was killed handgun vs assault rifle unless you are an outstanding shot is always going to go that way.
ten dead and the 18-year-old scumbag surrendered peacefully to police
He'd painted the n word on the sights of his rifle and he's not being called a terrorist even wrote a manifesto
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Nah, they want a violent reaction and a ‘race war’ so they can carry out their LARPing fantasies. Giving a fuck is giving them attention. Let them be a nobody for it.
Sadly America is in the grip of a literal race war now. The racism there is very overt. Last month my fella (who lives in upstate NY very near where this terrorist child grew up) had the latest nasty encounter.
His neighbours tree had fallen on his land, so he contacted them to discuss removing it. He got a one N-word reply. There’s nothing he can do. Showing my white priviledge I asked him why he didn’t respond (this is a guy who can handle himself) and he said he used to respond with his fists when he was younger but now doesn’t bother.
Last summer his elder 15y daughter who is mixed race was out walking with her black Nigerian American bf and they had the N word shouted at them in the street. They live in a middle class rural area. These are well to do people.
His neighbours tree had fallen on his land, so he contacted them to discuss removing it. He got a one N-word reply. There’s nothing he can do. Showing my white priviledge I asked him why he didn’t respond (this is a guy who can handle himself) and he said he used to respond with his fists when he was younger but now doesn’t bother.
Last summer his elder 15y daughter who is mixed race was out walking with her black Nigerian American bf and they had the N word shouted at them in the street. They live in a middle class rural area. These are well to do people.
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Starry Wisdom
Doesn't sound like a literal race war to me, which might be more like some of the things that happened during reconstruction - people being locked in buildings which were then burned down etc. Things may have polarised in the United States, be polarising, but the evidence you adduce reminds me of what I heard from a (white) friend whose wife's black about abuse hurled at them in London years back, and no one would say we're living in a literal race war here
Yes, except in the UK white people are not outright murdering black people in the streets because of their race. That’s the difference.
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Starry Wisdom
are they not? Boy, 14, ‘was racially abused’ before being stabbed to death in Birmingham
let alone the sad litany of cases just from stephen lawrence to the present. appalling as they are, racist murders and even - i'd argue - acts of racist terror are not in themselves a literal race war, which would i think be something far bloodier than we've seen.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
It's not just guns in the US , It's the fetishisation of guns, a massive helping of racism and an unfortunate nexus of individualism and and fear.Odd thing to happen to you.
Change out your comment about negation, and change it to compromise.
Back in school, we were taught about their bang-bang-shoot-them-up history.
I always liked the stories of the RCMP taking the American's guns away during the gold rush days.
Fast forward many a decade, and I bet Canadian officials are still taking away their guns.
"but I have the right to bear arms" "not in Canada"
In the rural bit of Ontario lots of people had guns, and the French and Belgium people also seem to love them. Those last two are hardly beacons of racial equality, I don't know enough about Canada having not been there since 1996, but I suspect that even though it seems a great place (any country that put cheese AND gravy on chips must be pretty good) has issues with race.
But the culture of gun 'rights' and the incessant active shooter mass murders does seem a uniquely US thing.
(Also, how much of the opposition to state funded universal healthcare in the US is down to white Americans not wanting to pay to make poor black people better?).
There are aspects of the US I really like BTW. They went to the moon for god's sake.
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It’s not a competition, that’s kinda a strange response to being told about a racist incident
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no, it's not a competition: i am disagreeing with a claim you made. you said "in the UK white people are not outright murdering black people in the streets because of their race. That’s the difference." but they are, i'm sure we can each think of a dozen racist murders in the uk without greatly straining ourselves. but no one's claiming there's a race war here, literal or otherwise.
i don't think that what's going on in the united states is a race war, although racists may be hoping to precipitate a reaction from people of colour which would justify in their eyes further assaults and maybe lead to a race war. for me a literal race war would be a situation in which there was mass racial violence, of the sort seen in eg tulsa a hundred years ago or across the former confederate states during the era of reconstruction, on a large scale. the sort of thing charles manson wanted to provoke. and that's what this horrific shooting is, a provocation, which the perpetrator no doubt hopes will be responded to in kind.
Umm ok
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Horrible but what do you mean by middle class and well to do people?
Yossarian
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He did get shot by an ex-cop working at a security guard in the supermarket - unfortunately, the shooter was wearing body armor, he was unharmed by the shot and killed the security guard.
Probably still won't stop the NRA arguing that a "good guy with a gun" was what was needed to stop the mass shooting, though I can't see them going so far as to recommend that Black people should start carrying guns everywhere.
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Starry Wisdom
a good guy with a .50 sniper rifle perhaps
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Article on the victims:
newsone.com
Elderly Black Women Among Victims Of Racist Mass Shooting At Buffalo Supermarket
A pair of elderly Black women and a “hero” 30-year veteran of the Buffalo Police department are among those who were slain in Saturday’s racist mass shooting at a supermarket. Her…
newsone.com
petee
no gods, no malarkey
yes, or a war of some kind. i keep coming back to what steve king, and actual member of congress, said, “Folks keep talking about another civil war,” the meme read. “One side has about 8 trillion bullets, while the other side doesn’t know which bathroom to use.”
proud boys and such are muscled up, armed up, some ex-military, and would welcome open shooting, but it's more fun i guess just to threaten and intimidate while claiming to be victims.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Thing is one side does have 8 trillion bullets and a million ar15s and loads of custom pistols.
the other side has the US military the airforce drones the NSA etc etc etc
none of which i anymore imagine can be relied upon, and NSA doesn't do domestic surveillance, at least according to law.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
the myth of a good guy with a gun is a load of shite always has been
this guy was a trained ex cop and he could not resolve the situation
most of the most gun toothing fella who play out fantasy in an active shooting situation would find out like most
people they freeze and most likey shit themselves
but the us response of this will be more gun as always
have they declared him a terroist yet?
odd stuff on reddit were a group of gun loving american in r/tacticalgear are surprised to find out the fella was
using it for tips before commiting this latest act of americans love of guns
this guy was a trained ex cop and he could not resolve the situation
most of the most gun toothing fella who play out fantasy in an active shooting situation would find out like most
people they freeze and most likey shit themselves
but the us response of this will be more gun as always
have they declared him a terroist yet?
odd stuff on reddit were a group of gun loving american in r/tacticalgear are surprised to find out the fella was
using it for tips before commiting this latest act of americans love of guns
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Probably none of it - that is (and this is something that can be said about the explosion in the number of owned firearms too) squarely down to a well-funded and decades-long political campaign which has utterly reversed how reality is perceived.
I mean, over there the Federal Government pays out quite a bit more per capita than our government does per capita for the NHS to get a much worse system. Palin's claims of "death panels" a decade ago are exactly what insurance companies, state governments and hospitals do there all the time for those unable to pay / not valuable enough to pay, and indeed were fighting to defend at the time. Its so ingrained in people's minds that even people like Bernie and AOC cannot bring themselves to abandon a blatantly failing system, hence "Medicare for All".
The same goes for guns and gun rights, where the mainstream debate over there is almost entirely about political funding between inane and idiotic campaigns like "they are going to take your guns away" and "fund me so I can close this meaningless loophole that will do nothing" rather than actually looking at and agreeing a sensible, legally defensible definition of the 2A based on what it actually says. Poor folk like Aaron Salter (RIP) or more than a few cops down the years are then put in a position where they end up extremely lucky, dead or getting 190% of the blame.
Finally, God bless the victims of this latest madness and their families.
bcuster
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Multiple People Shot at Church in Laguna Woods, California
Police said an individual was in custody and that a weapon “that may be involved” was recovered.
www.thedailybeast.com
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