danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
But nobody is the right sort of old. Except me.
The 2019 General Election
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
OK boomer.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
JimW
支那暗杀团
Having the powers of Dr X doesn't put you in that generation.
skyscraper101
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The important thing is, do you remember Lager and Lime Top Deck.
And having a class analysis.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So when was Y? And why aren't they getting blamed for anything?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Your people don’t even have a proper name! Losers!
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Aren’t they what we call Millennials now?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't ask me. I've only just found out that millenial doesn't mean someone born after 2000.
flypanam
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Millennials were born from the early 80s onwards.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Hit 18 in 2000 or later, I have been told.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Generation Z is the kids of millennials I think. We appear to have skipped Y.
And the reason generation Z isn't getting blamed for anything is that they're barely sentient. They're basically just external xbox peripherals.
SpineyNorman
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I'm not but I did once buy a sex pistols CD if that counts?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Millenials are Y. Renamed so that they couldn't just moan 'y bother'
In P5, someone brought a can to our summer trip. The Head confiscated it, what with it being super alcoholic and all.
Those of us with Fine Fare own brand cola were fine.
Top Deck and a class analysis
in one anecdote.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Yeah all of this is fair. It's probably not all bollocks but the recent fad for applying crude generational analysis on everything does my tits in
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Fucking hell, it's only a couple of years since I found out I was a millennial, now I'm a sub category
elbows
Well-Known Member
Of the numerous flaws with generational stuff, I suppose I naturally focus on one that I can judge in the context of myself.
Some of these generation timescales are just too long, and they are sometimes a very poor fit for events and periods of notable change.
So I'm generation X but born in 1975. So I was a kid throughout the 1980's. I was still in school when Thatcher went. I could not directly suffer 1980s unemployment (though could of indirectly via parents). Home computers were going mainstream by the time I was 7 or 8. Thats quite a bit of a different world and timing of things and how I related to them than I would have faced if I'd been born 10 years earlier. I did GCSEs not O levels. Channel four was with me
Plus cultural and political influences change over the course of one of these generations. A lot of the cultural icons of the boomers werent boomers themselves, and gaps often even larger when it comes to politicians and political influences. Some crap joke here about the youth being told not to trust people over 30, invariably by people over 30.
Anyway I've certainly started to notice people much closer to my age that the broader gen x definition, have been reaching the giddy heights of power in recent years. Not just in politics, but in the various professions such as journalism. In most cases I have not be impressed. And it is tempting to have simple thoughts along generational lines about this, no doubt involving plenty of self-generational-loathing, but this sounds like a crap recipe. Better to consider the reasons why certain candidates are deemed to be the right person for the job, how unsuitable that makes them to actually do the task in a decent fashion. What lessons of success and priority they have been taught by the systems they have climbed within. What powerful illusions it proved expedient for them to buy into, and whether that leaves them naked to the gaze of those who have viewed the grubby state of affairs from very different angles. Some have different viewing angles because of their age, but we all know the multitude of other factors that shitty generational labels dont begin to cover.
Some of these generation timescales are just too long, and they are sometimes a very poor fit for events and periods of notable change.
So I'm generation X but born in 1975. So I was a kid throughout the 1980's. I was still in school when Thatcher went. I could not directly suffer 1980s unemployment (though could of indirectly via parents). Home computers were going mainstream by the time I was 7 or 8. Thats quite a bit of a different world and timing of things and how I related to them than I would have faced if I'd been born 10 years earlier. I did GCSEs not O levels. Channel four was with me
Plus cultural and political influences change over the course of one of these generations. A lot of the cultural icons of the boomers werent boomers themselves, and gaps often even larger when it comes to politicians and political influences. Some crap joke here about the youth being told not to trust people over 30, invariably by people over 30.
Anyway I've certainly started to notice people much closer to my age that the broader gen x definition, have been reaching the giddy heights of power in recent years. Not just in politics, but in the various professions such as journalism. In most cases I have not be impressed. And it is tempting to have simple thoughts along generational lines about this, no doubt involving plenty of self-generational-loathing, but this sounds like a crap recipe. Better to consider the reasons why certain candidates are deemed to be the right person for the job, how unsuitable that makes them to actually do the task in a decent fashion. What lessons of success and priority they have been taught by the systems they have climbed within. What powerful illusions it proved expedient for them to buy into, and whether that leaves them naked to the gaze of those who have viewed the grubby state of affairs from very different angles. Some have different viewing angles because of their age, but we all know the multitude of other factors that shitty generational labels dont begin to cover.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Wright was not an anarchist, in fact as he was explicitly opposed to revolutionary socialism his politics is at odds with anarchism (at least the overwhelming part of it). And frankly based on his last book his conception of anarchism was piss weak.
This is the equivalent reasoning as why you (as a socialist?) voted for the LDs in 2010 isn't it?
From the above I'm not sure your understanding of anarchism is much better than Wrights. The idea that anarchist ideas have had a big role to play in the LP, one of the two establishment parties of the UK, is fantasy.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Were Heath, Wilson and Callaghan neoliberals?
mauvais
on reddit or something
Not the kids of millennials, although it's possible. Kids of Gen X, starting with people born in the mid-90s.
mauvais
on reddit or something
I find the whole Labour support thing fascinating, independently of what I personally think about it.
If you took a very Machiavellian and distinctly non-parliamentary approach to class struggle, then you've got some interesting questions to answer.
Would a Labour Party success at best placate the people and therefore further delay more meaningful change? Conversely, would a Tory win hasten a dramatic collapse of existing systems and therefore be a long term positive?
But simultaneously if the people can't even be convinced that Labour's if-you-prefer-a-milder-reform is necessary and positive even at this late juncture, then you've also got to address or recognise that the political landscape is really not aligned to whatever you're banging on about. Maybe you can explain that away as being a facet of the current system rather than true expression of goals but it's not the easiest of sells.
If you took a very Machiavellian and distinctly non-parliamentary approach to class struggle, then you've got some interesting questions to answer.
Would a Labour Party success at best placate the people and therefore further delay more meaningful change? Conversely, would a Tory win hasten a dramatic collapse of existing systems and therefore be a long term positive?
But simultaneously if the people can't even be convinced that Labour's if-you-prefer-a-milder-reform is necessary and positive even at this late juncture, then you've also got to address or recognise that the political landscape is really not aligned to whatever you're banging on about. Maybe you can explain that away as being a facet of the current system rather than true expression of goals but it's not the easiest of sells.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Good to see the old imputations of immiseration being wheeled out.
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