Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

The 2017 General Election campaign

Status
Not open for further replies.
mikey mikey said:
Go ahead and cast aspersions on Eoin Clarke while he's trying to support Labour as they attempt to get May out of No. 10. After all, what better use of your time, eh?

Who's next? Tom Pride?
Click to expand...

Clarke has a pisspoor record for good reporting. He often gets the wrong end of a stick and reports his misconception as fact. He's enthusiastic, but not particularly competent.
 
kebabking said:
Gut feeling?

What Labour appears to be proposing is stuff I like, but it is expensive. It's not a couple of billion you can squeeze out of other budgets, it's lots, and lots, and lots of billions - and Labour appears to be saying that they will be able to get the money for all of it from one source, which is corporation tax.

They have also been explicit in saying that personal taxation for those earning less that (iirc) £90k will not increase - which is about 95% of the population - personally I'm hugely sceptical that they will be able to find the money that all these nice things will cost can be found from corporation tax and increased taxation for just 5% of the population.

That's not to say these things shouldn't be paid for, or that they aren't really worth doing, but I'm afraid I'm not remotely convinced that all the money to find them can be found where Labour says it can be found.
Click to expand...
Have they said where the money is to be found?
 
kebabking said:
Corporation tax, VAT on private school fees, and undefined raising of personal taxation on incomes above £80k - from what I can see...
Click to expand...

I suspect that you are right on those three but the draft manifesto has yet to be costed and agreed yet according to McDonnell
 
So basically, the "think that money grows on trees" argument can be refuted. Hope so, cos the lie that Labour sank the economy through overspending was a big factor in the 2010 and 2015 win- and paved the way to austerity.
 
The39thStep said:
I suspect that you are right on those three but the draft manifesto has yet to be costed and agreed yet according to McDonnell
Click to expand...

That's why I suspect that the leak is someone on the Corbyn side - once this stuff has been put out there, regardless of it being the draft or not, it can't be towed back on.

It's quite possible that some of this stuff would have gone in the 'Nice to have for a second term' pile rather than the 'this must happen on day one's pile - now it's out there the money will just have to be found regardless of how wise McDonnell or others in the party might think trying to do it all in one go are.
 
kebabking said:
That's why I suspect that the leak is someone on the Corbyn side - once this stuff has been put out there, regardless of it being the draft or not, it can't be towed back on.
Click to expand...

I have a very hard time believing that they wouldn't have publicized the fact that it came from someone close to Corbyn, if that is where it did come from. I also find it very hard to believe that the media don't know who leaked a manifesto draft to every major paper in the country.
 
agricola said:
I have a very hard time believing that they wouldn't have publicized the fact that it came from someone close to Corbyn, if that is where it did come from. I also find it very hard to believe that the media don't know who leaked a manifesto draft to every major paper in the country.
Click to expand...

They do. Or at least, they journalist who first received it says he does.
 
Must say I was very disappointed with the latest Plaid Cymru PPB. So much needlessly typical nationalistic doom about what THEY are doing to US. now, "they" are nominally tories, and fair enough in some ways, but it could easily be read as thinly veiled anglophobia.
 
A lot of English I read/hear seem to be using the term Anglophobia. Usually after saying how much contempt they have for anybody but the English.
 
agricola said:
...I also find it very hard to believe that the media don't know who leaked a manifesto draft to every major paper in the country.
Click to expand...

The bloke from the Mirror was on the radio earlier - he knows who it was as it appeared in his inbox, and was prepared to say that it definitely wasn't a mistake, but wasn't prepared to speculate on motivation so as to to avoid identifying his source.

He says that the Mirror got it - and supported it, the BBC got it, as did the telegraph.

If only sympathetic or unsympathetic media had got it it would be easier to determine the motivation, but that's not what happened...
 
The vehemence with which the ideas are being attacked by the DM and co kind of makes it look like labor are suddenly a threat, because what if people might look at the proposals and like them. They've moved on now to saying "Mr Corbyn .. has drawn up a manifesto which experts says is 'delusional' and will take Britain back to the 1940s" , because the 1970s wasn't scary enough.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Elpenor
Rewatching the 1997 General Election (bbc iplayer) and memories of it
2 3 4 5
Replies
132
Views
5K
isvicthere?
isvicthere?
editor
  • Poll
Do you want a separate sub forum for the General Election 2024?
2 3
Replies
83
Views
4K
PR1Berske
PR1Berske
beesonthewhatnow
UK general election - the U75 poll
5 6 7 8 9
Replies
256
Views
11K
tim
tim
Eric Jarvis
New group to challenge Steve Reed at general election
Replies
20
Views
1K
Eric Jarvis
Eric Jarvis
Silas Loom
  • Poll
Check in when you have voted in the 2024 general election
8 9 10 11 12
Replies
343
Views
10K
Duncan2
D
Back
Top Bottom