discokermit
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what sort of a person needs tranquillisers in an sp meeting?
you really like your echo chambers dont you. people wanted to go because your org fucked up over hedley and it was an appropriate environment to challenge that. no one i know, and especially not me (which is important cuz spnormans comments have been directed towards me) were 'traumatised'. but i guess that's cult mentality for you: twist all events and contrary attitudes so they conform to the 'line'. "all those who criticise have no basis: they're hypocrites. they even took imaginary ket in a meeting." honestly.
Sorry, not aimed at you...but at the whole notion of rocking up to a meeting of a fellow/rival socialist group with the sole intention of causing a row, taking horse tranquillisers during/after said meeting and then defending this on an Internet forum.
Utopian indeed!
what sort of a person needs tranquillisers in an sp meeting?
What are your views on the welfare cuts, landlordism, the NHS?, just askin like.
I was just wondering, has anyone else had trouble organising meetings or events on similar lines because of a generalised sense of suspicion towards the left on gender issues?
what sort of a person needs tranquillisers in an sp meeting?
You plum - if they had been discussing Palestine or Papuan child abuse you might have a point, but do you really think we don't need to address sexism etc? Plus the SP are ineffective but you can't deny they prioritise all those things you listedWhat are your views on the welfare cuts, landlordism, the NHS?, just askin like.
Sorry, not aimed at you...but at the whole notion of rocking up to a meeting of a fellow/rival socialist group with the sole intention of causing a row, taking horse tranquillisers during/after said meeting and then defending this on an Internet forum.
Utopian indeed!
what's wrong with taking k in my spare time? id left the meeting. and dont you think its better to challenge politics you find objectionable? at least it gets discussion going.
And did you challenge politics you find objectionable with some different politics that were much nicer?
Do you find most SP politics objectionable or just the stuff around Hedley?
Why is the only SP meeting you would ever come to this one?
As I said before, the sad thing was that there was no discussion, just a lot of finger pointing led by a member of the AWL, an organisation which has certainly dealt with issues around domestic and sexual violence in a far more contemptible manner than the SP. When members responded, there was nothing really - no clear insight into how it could have been dealt with better, just a lot of mumbling about how the left is shit and everything is shit and we don't know what to do about it beyond turning up to a meeting and having a go at some young full timer who was caught out a bit by a difficult situation in which she was trying to do a good job. Even worse, not one of the people who turned up to have a go had any of the understanding of the fact that, if Hedley is guilty, he is the AGS of the RMT and may soon be the GS, and that if so-called Socialist activists are really horrified that the SP refused to condemn him automatically, it should follow that they are far more concerned about the RMT and the investigative process they followed in deciding he had no case to answer.
There's nothing wrong with taking K in your spare time if that's what you want to do. But you must understand that taking K means people will take you less seriously, even if you think that's oppressive and uncool, man. Ever seen somebody take a pub drunk's political opinion seriously? No. Same goes for Ket - sorry mate.
PS Sorry Palace are having a shit start to the season - were you disappointed to see Pulis go?
I disagree with a lot of the politics but the Hedley stuff is a bit beyond the pail. At least don't invite the fucker to chat shit at your annual socialism thing.
No fan of the AWL or RMT either, if that makes you feel better. But this whole 'lots of other lefties are sexist too' excuse doesn't really wash.
It's not something I want to ostracize the sp over, whatever I think of it it's no comrade delta. But it's something that should be challenged because trot sects are too busy patting themselves on the back over their class politics that they utterly fail to engage properly with gender issues.
not arsed about being taken seriously when I'm on ket. that's why I stopped the serious political discussion that was happening.
Nice try
what's wrong with taking k in my spare time? id left the meeting. and dont you think its better to challenge politics you find objectionable? at least it gets discussion going.
Funnily enough one of the mums down at the playgroup said exactly the same thing to me the other day...
"...those cunts in the SPEW" she snarled at me before stirring yet another crushed up horse tanquiliser into her rapidly cooling skinny latte.
I wished I'd never raised the issue of childcare costs with her.
Funnily enough one of the mums down at the playgroup said exactly the same thing to me the other day...
"...those cunts in the SPEW" she snarled at me before stirring yet another crushed up horse tanquiliser into her rapidly cooling skinny latte.
I wished I'd never raised the issue of childcare costs with her.
typical SP the only woman in the room is the one serving drinksWe face a lot of anger. Only last week I was in my local and while Dave and Bill were doing a few lines off the bar and chasing them down with Mandy and Eggy was dusting his pickled egg with PCP, Old Arthur started screaming at me, he were saying "Oi, SPEW cunt, you can fuck right off". Well, he was for a bit, and then the acid kicked in and he just sort of started staring at his hands. Rita the barmaid agreed with him though, she said "You've gotta admit, he's gotta point, you SPEWERS should consider whether your structures are fuckin' adequate. How do you think that makes you look before the class?". Mind you, she's taking speed to get through the late shifts and makes her a bit aggressive like.
typical SP the only woman in the room is the one serving drinks
They're standing in an election, that's how elections work. Stop pretending you have some holy right to stand unopposed. You don't stand down against them.
I don't know if this really belongs here, but what on earth are the Irish SWP playing at?
http://www.swp.ie/content/people-profit-announce-tallaght-election-candidate
This is the second time this year they've stood against Paul Murphy.
Murphy will be a shoe in, no? Don't see an issue looking for his second preferences and building their candidates profile in the area.I don't know if this really belongs here, but what on earth are the Irish SWP playing at?
http://www.swp.ie/content/people-profit-announce-tallaght-election-candidate
This is the second time this year they've stood against Paul Murphy.
Murphy will be a shoe in, no?
Seventh in 2011, 5.2% of the vote. If they lose, it'll all be down to the SWP.Murphy will be a shoe in, no? Don't see an issue looking for his second preferences and building their candidates profile in the area.
Murphy will be a shoe in, no? Don't see an issue looking for his second preferences and building their candidates profile in the area.
They're standing in an election, that's how elections work. Stop pretending you have some holy right to stand unopposed. You don't stand down against them.
Since the ULA fell apart there is no agreement not to stand against one another, afaik. Can't pin this one on the SWP (Ireland) I'm afraid. Both organisations and their respective fronts PBP and AAA need their heads knocked to a degree.
Murphy will be a shoe in, no? Don't see an issue looking for his second preferences and building their candidates profile in the area.
Now, the SWP/PBPA can run where they like but people on the left are entitled to draw conclusions about their real reasons for doing so.
The decision to stand a candidate in the Euros was to build a profile to stand against a sitting left TD (MP) in the General Election.