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SWP expulsions and squabbles

butchersapron said:
Ooh yeah, reminded me, meant to post this little juxtapostion earlier - this from the prof's whine:

1) This way of conducting criticisms on the part of a Marxist academic journal is a sign of sectarianism, bad faith, and lack of intellectual honesty.

2) It is to HM’s basic ambition to offer a pluralist space in which Marxists of different political tendencies (or none) can engage in research and debate, without 'favouring any one tendency, tradition or variant'.

Marxists = academics for the prof.
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Aye. I've met quite a few Keep Left (IS) members in South Africa - they are interesting cos they don't even pretend they believe non-academics can be Marxists.
 
Look...

I dunno about you but this sick fucking thread about something truly fucking sick when you get right down to it is both dead and sickening. Can we stop posting here? It should stay as a historical record, but I think we all need a bit of distance to get on with the world now. I'm a bit drunk but I feel others will feel the same way about the sad sorry demise of the Sectarian Wankers Party?

Or are there more twists and turns in the death throes that merit discussion...?
 
SpackleFrog said:
Look...

I dunno about you but this sick fucking thread about something truly fucking sick when you get right down to it is both dead and sickening. Can we stop posting here? It should stay as a historical record, but I think we all need a bit of distance to get on with the world now. I'm a bit drunk but I feel others will feel the same way about the sad sorry demise of the Sectarian Wankers Party?

Or are there more twists and turns in the death throes that merit discussion...?
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There are still things happening that belong on this thread - the Callinicos / Historical Materialism row for instance, but I'd agree that we really should take most of the general lefty stuff to other threads.
 
if he is serious about now being a socialist then surely he'd have publicly renounced his previous activities via groups such as searchlight, hope not hate, uaf etc. The fact he ain't done this suggest that he is lying. If he has joined the swp without publicly cutting his ties with his violent fascist past then they are putting people at risk of a dangerous man...I would say that sounds unbelievable for a socialist organisation but unfortunately recent history suggests this wouldn't be the first time that they have left some members at risk from a dangerous man.
 
He says he has joined the SWP, has anyone from the SWP confirmed it? Maybe he was just bullshiting to justify his presence at the demo?
 
Lowles says he/HnH contacted SWP and they said White had approached them but they didn't buy it and he is lying now about being a member and activist. Not that this should really need saying.
 
That clarifies very little. It doesn't say if any contract was ever made, if they discussed any approach, if they trialed him and he failed, if he was told to forget it, nothing. Nothing beyond attacking their former mate.
 
I sat next to an otherwise normal young woman on the train this morning reading Tony Cliff's State Capitalism in Russia so perhaps the next generation of untainted Swappies is already being formed. I gave her some paternal advice along the lines of throwing TC's hackery away and reading Hillel Tickton's Origin of the Crisis in the USSR: Essays on the Political Economy of Disentegrating System. However she didn't get the joke and just put her headphones on and looked out of the window.
 
DownwardDog said:
I sat next to an otherwise normal young woman on the train this morning reading Tony Cliff's State Capitalism in Russia so perhaps the next generation of untainted Swappies is already being formed. I gave her some paternal advice along the lines of throwing TC's hackery away and reading Hillel Tickton's Origin of the Crisis in the USSR: Essays on the Political Economy of Disentegrating System. However she didn't get the joke and just put her headphones on and looked out of the window.
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Might have been recommended reading from uni, in which case she must think that you are absolutely crazy lol
 
SpineyNorman said:
If it's who I think it is (and I'm pretty confident it is) they're trendy twats who are always on about 'triggering behavour'. That is until they decide - in the middle of a meeting attended by recovering addicts - that they want to nip to the bogs and take fucking horse tranquilisers. And not make any real attempt to hide the fact they're doing so.
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Bit late to the party here and unsure how forums like this work but whatever, this only just came to my attention and I'm pretty sure it's about me. Few points of clarification.

1. Not a member of psychbolsh. I know them but ain't been involved.

2. The meeting was an SP meeting on 'women's liberation.' Someone from the AWL brought up the RMT Official Steve Hedley's disciplinary case (where he abused and beat his partner whilst a member of the SP), how even tho he left the SP he's still allowed platforms at Socialism 2013, how the party still wants to 'work with steve' and has been generally weak about this. When challenged, the speaker--an SP student organiser--came out with the most evasive, deflective shite. Having just came out of the SWP crisis some of the comments people made were making me really very angry (they were carbon copies of the horrible sexist shite swappie hacks would come out with) to the point where I was shaking. So I left the meeting a few minutes to calm down so I could make a contribution that wasn't shouted.

3. After the meeting I picked up some K, went to the student bar. One of the SPers I'm on decent terms with struck up a conversation about Hedley a few minutes after i'd had my first key. I had to cut the conversation short, explaining that I'd just taken K and was getting too confused for such a heavy conversation.

Correct me if this isn't the instance you're talking about but, if it is, basically you're talking out your arse as far as I can see. inabit.
 
Direlectics said:
Bit late to the party here and unsure how forums like this work but whatever, this only just came to my attention and I'm pretty sure it's about me. Few points of clarification.

1. Not a member of psychbolsh. I know them but ain't been involved.

2. The meeting was an SP meeting on 'women's liberation.' Someone from the AWL brought up the RMT Official Steve Hedley's disciplinary case (where he abused and beat his partner whilst a member of the SP), how even tho he left the SP he's still allowed platforms at Socialism 2013, how the party still wants to 'work with steve' and has been generally weak about this. When challenged, the speaker--an SP student organiser--came out with the most evasive, deflective shite. Having just came out of the SWP crisis some of the comments people made were making me really very angry (they were carbon copies of the horrible sexist shite swappie hacks would come out with) to the point where I was shaking. So I left the meeting a few minutes to calm down so I could make a contribution that wasn't shouted.

3. After the meeting I picked up some K, went to the student bar. One of the SPers I'm on decent terms with struck up a conversation about Hedley a few minutes after i'd had my first key. I had to cut the conversation short, explaining that I'd just taken K and was getting too confused for such a heavy conversation.

Correct me if this isn't the instance you're talking about but, if it is, basically you're talking out your arse as far as I can see. inabit.
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No you didn't - you fucked off to the bogs half way through to do some k. We know you did because you went to the bogs half way through then told people you'd gone there to do k.

This is genuinely triggering behaviour for a recovering addict - triggering in the sense that it can prompt a re-lapse, not triggering in the sense that I need an excuse for having fucked off to the bogs to do k so I'll say it was triggering.

You're the one talking out of your arse, I've done similar things in the past so don't try and bullshit me. (though not as cowardly as that - I've never used sexual assault as an excuse - and I only did it because I had to to stop physical withdrawals)

And you fucking love student politics, its all you ever do, so don't come that one either.
 
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