SWP expulsions and squabbles

[SpackleFrog]

the boredom possibly?



Irrespective of whether or not SWP meetings (or any other) are more or less boring, I don't think it's possible to defend SP meetings from that particular charge.

They've clearly never been to any of the ones where I use cultural reference points (mostly fart jokes and examples from south park or who lyrics) to make political analogies. They'd not have dared make that charge if they had

I wasn't neccessarily trying to - although to be fair I think ours in Sheffield can be pretty good now and again, because we've got a few people who have things worth saying even if they do occasionally insist on "listing the program" a bit too much. And you and your fart jokes of course... Think it depends on the branch, as you say branches in Tory areas tend to be a bit wank, and any branch which is a bit small can be very fucking hackish. But for people who spent years listening to the likes of Martin Smith and Weyman Bennett, you'd have thought they could find listening to the speaking clock interesting. I dunno though - maybe their branches are actually dead exciting and I'm talking shit.

 

[SpackleFrog]

it's boring if you know what you are fighting for. Its boring if its just sloganeering around subjects you already have a handle on. Its boring when you try to talk about structural things and get told 'we often have people well read trying to tell us' (this actually happened to me. It might be because I'm a lecturing cock tho). It's boring when the meetings conclusion is 'how many papers will you buy'. It's boring when the vision is limited to vote fucking TUSC. I've got loads of time for the SP, out of all our far left alternatives they make bloody sure to ground themselves in actual community and workplace struggles. But it isn't working. Obviously I have an alternative. Worship me. Actually bow to me as your god-king. I will be kind.

Excuse me God King, but I think you'll find its "Vote TUSC AND Organise a 24hr General Strike"!

Which gets a bit dull after the 2nd or 3rd time but what you gonna do? Nature of the period comrade

 

[quiquaquo]

Seen Shortbus?

Are the SWP doing a remake?

 

[emanymton]

the boredom possibly?



Irrespective of whether or not SWP meetings (or any other) are more or less boring, I don't think it's possible to defend SP meetings from that particular charge.

They've clearly never been to any of the ones where I use cultural reference points (mostly fart jokes and examples from south park or who lyrics) to make political analogies. They'd not have dared make that charge if they had

What you think people in the SWP never make fart jokes in meetings?

 

[SpineyNorman]

What you think people in the SWP never make fart jokes in meetings?

Not in the branch I was in anyway - maybe I was in the wrong one lol

DC was talking about why the left is failing a few posts back. I think that's the reason, not enough farts and fart related humour.

*put on scouse accent*

In the coming period the working class will be looking for a political leadership skilled in the ways of farting and the craft of fart jokes. We need to buy the paper, read the paper, sell the paper err I mean eat fucking loads of beans and sherbet

[I only discovered the rocket fuel like properties of sherbet when I took our lass to whitby a few weeks back and ate a massive tub of dracula sherbet before bed - that went down well!]

 

[butchersapron]

Speaking of Seymour, look at the shit he is promoting here http://www.leninology.com/2014/03/dieudonne-through-prism-of-white-left.html

This far-seeing leader of men is now warning of the dangers of diudonne/soralism and how they promote anti-semitism after the piece of rubbish that he published that you're talking about that suggested that the power of the quenelle and dieudonne is a positive good, that anti-semitism of black people is good because it means they are playing an active political role - they they have a public voice.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Not in the branch I was in anyway - maybe I was in the wrong one lol

DC was talking about why the left is failing a few posts back. I think that's the reason, not enough farts and fart related humour.

*put on scouse accent*

In the coming period the working class will be looking for a political leadership skilled in the ways of farting and the craft of fart jokes. We need to buy the paper, read the paper, sell the paper err I mean eat fucking loads of beans and sherbet

[I only discovered the rocket fuel like properties of sherbet when I took our lass to whitby a few weeks back and ate a massive tub of dracula sherbet before bed - that went down well!]

She's a nice girl, I can't help but feel sorry for her...

 

[emanymton]

Not in the branch I was in anyway - maybe I was in the wrong one lol

DC was talking about why the left is failing a few posts back. I think that's the reason, not enough farts and fart related humour.

*put on scouse accent*

In the coming period the working class will be looking for a political leadership skilled in the ways of farting and the craft of fart jokes. We need to buy the paper, read the paper, sell the paper err I mean eat fucking loads of beans and sherbet

[I only discovered the rocket fuel like properties of sherbet when I took our lass to whitby a few weeks back and ate a massive tub of dracula sherbet before bed - that went down well!]

I have a mate who left the SWP the same time as the ISN lot, who I think might agree with you. I remember buying him to his book for his birthday one year.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1853754536?pc_redir=1402104382&robot_redir=1
I had a difficult choice to make between that and 'the adventures of captain underpants'. I am sure he must have made a few fart jokes in meetings.

You know thinking about it farting is something considered funny around the world like Japanese fart art for instance.
http://io9.com/5886529/japanese-fart-scrolls-prove-that-human-art-peaked-centuries-ago
So I reckon fart jokes are a great way to break down barriers between workers, while weeding out middle class liberal wankstains.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I have a mate who left the SWP the same time as the ISN lot, who I think might agree with you. I remember buying him to his book for his birthday one year.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1853754536?pc_redir=1402104382&robot_redir=1
I had a difficult choice to make between that and 'the adventures of captain underpants'. I am sure he must have made a few fart jokes in meetings.

You know thinking about it farting is something considered funny around the world like Japanese fart art for instance.
http://io9.com/5886529/japanese-fart-scrolls-prove-that-human-art-peaked-centuries-ago
So I reckon fart jokes are a great way to break down barriers between workers, while weeding out middle class liberal wankstains.

I don't mind Spiney doing fart jokes but I think it would seriously get on my tits if everybody in the branch did.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I have a mate who left the SWP the same time as the ISN lot, who I think might agree with you. I remember buying him to his book for his birthday one year.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1853754536?pc_redir=1402104382&robot_redir=1
I had a difficult choice to make between that and 'the adventures of captain underpants'. I am sure he must have made a few fart jokes in meetings.

You know thinking about it farting is something considered funny around the world like Japanese fart art for instance.
http://io9.com/5886529/japanese-fart-scrolls-prove-that-human-art-peaked-centuries-ago
So I reckon fart jokes are a great way to break down barriers between workers, while weeding out middle class liberal wankstains.

Tell your mate he needs to get a copy of this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Who-Cut-Che...1407441671&sr=8-1&keywords=who+cut+the+cheese

 

[SpineyNorman]

also might want to check out this genuinely fascinating website - it's got everything you could ever want to know about farts and loads of stuff you probably didn't want to know too. Someone's gone to a lot of trouble - there's proper science in there, they've contacted biologists, zoologists etc and it has references to proper scientific papers - if I knew scientists could specialise in farts I'd probably have paid more attention in biology at school: http://www.heptune.com/farts.html

 

[emanymton]

also might want to check out this genuinely fascinating website - it's got everything you could ever want to know about farts and loads of stuff you probably didn't want to know too. Someone's gone to a lot of trouble - there's proper science in there, they've contacted biologists, zoologists etc and it has references to proper scientific papers - if I knew scientists could specialise in farts I'd probably have paid more attention in biology at school: http://www.heptune.com/farts.html

Brilliant, I will read that and pass it on.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Colin Barker's response to Historical Materialism's latest bit of vindictive censorship of the Prof is worth sharing:

"I disagree with this decision by the HM committee. We should not support general bans and proscriptions on socialists, even if we disagree with some things they have done. I was relieved to discover that comrades in Manchester agreed with me. I dislike this pong of sanctimonious shit."

Tad Tietze too:

"I agree with Colin. Given the history of godawful crimes on the Marxist Left — which have led directly and indirectly to the destruction of thousands of people's livelihoods and lives (think of Western Communist Parties' collaboration with austerity & mass sackings in the 1970s) this kind of selective banning is not helpful in charting a way forward for us all in dealing with the SWP's specific (and egregious) actions that doesn't simply contribute to the fragmentation."

Really annoyed the obsessives of course.

 

[J Ed]

The other obsessives

 

[Fozzie Bear]

 

[quiquaquo]

Colin Barker's response to Historical Materialism's latest bit of vindictive censorship of the Prof is worth sharing:

"I disagree with this decision by the HM committee. We should not support general bans and proscriptions on socialists, even if we disagree with some things they have done. I was relieved to discover that comrades in Manchester agreed with me. I dislike this pong of sanctimonious shit."

Tad Tietze too:

"I agree with Colin. Given the history of godawful crimes on the Marxist Left — which have led directly and indirectly to the destruction of thousands of people's livelihoods and lives (think of Western Communist Parties' collaboration with austerity & mass sackings in the 1970s) this kind of selective banning is not helpful in charting a way forward for us all in dealing with the SWP's specific (and egregious) actions that doesn't simply contribute to the fragmentation."

Really annoyed the obsessives of course.

Writing sentences like the virtually unreadable one in bold above doesn't help any cause. Too many "seghe mentali" as they say in Italy, jerking off on pedanticism.

You need to kick out posh intellectual parasites like Callinicos and Kimber asap.

 

[Bakunin]

DC was talking about why the left is failing a few posts back. I think that's the reason, not enough farts and fart related humour.

The new Central Committee, yesterday:

 

[SpineyNorman]

is pendanticism a word?

 

[belboid]

is pendanticism a word?

Engelsian Exactitude is my preferred term.

 

[laptop]

is pendanticism a word?

 

[KeeperofDragons]

Not in the branch I was in anyway - maybe I was in the wrong one lol

DC was talking about why the left is failing a few posts back. I think that's the reason, not enough farts and fart related humour.

*put on scouse accent*

In the coming period the working class will be looking for a political leadership skilled in the ways of farting and the craft of fart jokes. We need to buy the paper, read the paper, sell the paper err I mean eat fucking loads of beans and sherbet

[I only discovered the rocket fuel like properties of sherbet when I took our lass to whitby a few weeks back and ate a massive tub of dracula sherbet before bed - that went down well!]

Purple sprouting broccoli is pretty damned good as well, a real duvet raiser if you eat a lot of it

 

[SpineyNorman]

You learn something new every day! So it basically means the same as pedantry?

 

[quiquaquo]

is pendanticism a word?

Of course it's a word! http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedanticism

(on second thoughts maybe that one just went right over my head!)

 

[quiquaquo]

You learn something new every day! So it basically means the same as pedantry?

That's just pedantic or maybe pedantry. Where's the Prof when he's needed.

 

[belboid]

You learn something new every day! So it basically means the same as pedantry?

A pedant uses pedantry in his* pedanticism.



* and it is always a 'his'

 

[laptop]

So it basically means the same as pedantry?

The dictionaries are defining it as one step more abstract than that: having the nature of the behaviour of pedants, IIRC.

 

[SpineyNorman]

It's like effect and affect all over again

 

[quiquaquo]

A pedant uses pedantry in his* pedanticism.



* and it is always a 'his'

 

[SpackleFrog]

Writing sentences like the virtually unreadable one in bold above doesn't help any cause. Too many "seghe mentali" as they say in Italy, jerking off on pedanticism.

You need to kick out posh intellectual parasites like Callinicos and Kimber asap.

I hate to break this to you but I don't think kicking out all the posh intellectuals would be all that helpful for Historical Materialism.

 

[butchersapron]

I hate to break this to you but I don't think kicking out all the posh intellectuals would be all that helpful for Historical Materialism.

Ooh yeah, reminded me, meant to post this little juxtapostion earlier - this from the prof's whine:

1) This way of conducting criticisms on the part of a Marxist academic journal is a sign of sectarianism, bad faith, and lack of intellectual honesty.

2) It is to HM’s basic ambition to offer a pluralist space in which Marxists of different political tendencies (or none) can engage in research and debate, without 'favouring any one tendency, tradition or variant'.

Marxists = academics for the prof.