SWP expulsions and squabbles

[belboid]

Apparently seventeen people have left Counterfire (they don't deserve their own thread) this week. Supposedly over 'internal problems' - tho they are usually a cover for political problems, most likely stemming from the leaderships capitualtion to Stalinism. Neil 'Time Team' Faulkner is the most prominent name to split.

 

[butchersapron]

Apparently seventeen people have left Counterfire (they don't deserve their own thread) this week. Supposedly over 'internal problems' - tho they are usually a cover for political problems, most likely stemming from the leaderships capitualtion to Stalinism. Neil 'Time Team' Faulkner is the most prominent name to split.

Did you see the kagarlitsky interview they ran?

 

[belboid]

Did you see the kagarlitsky interview they ran?

I have not, arshlakhan, perchance?

 

[butchersapron]

I have not, arshlakhan, perchance?

They allow him to say the most ridiculous stuff without challenge. For example, the west bussed 20 thousand kids into Kiev and paid for them to live there for three months and other such Putinesque nonsense. Total betrayal of is traditions.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

When did Kagarlitsky lose the plot? I hadn't really been paying attention for quite some time, and then he turned up with all this Russian nationalist shit.

 

[Lo Siento.]

the one (apparent) Counterfirist on my facebook intermittently posts nonsense about various national questions. Shame really, because she's otherwise sound

 

[butchersapron]

When did Kagarlitsky lose the plot? I hadn't really been paying attention for quite some time, and then he turned up with all this Russian nationalist shit.

He's been claiming the donetsk republic is a modern day version of the Paris commune and other fantasies for a year plus now. The aus links people seem to be his main mouth piece. He's been meeting with fascists on the Putin dollar as well. (As did some workers power naifs. Well, it was actually their head honcho). In fact Putin pays him for a number of pro-putin activities.

 

[belboid]

They allow him to say the most ridiculous stuff without challenge. For example, the west bussed 20 thousand kids into Kiev and paid for them to live there for three months and other such Putinesque nonsense. Total betrayal of is traditions.

My god, he basically says Strelkov is a good guy

 

[SpackleFrog]

So I left the swp in late 2009...after being a member since I joined as a 18 yr old in 1986
I wrote at the time explaining my decision as I was being described as a lindsey german supporter.
I cancelled by subs.
I have never been near the party since...have never bought a paper or magazine or signed an swp petition. So there is no doubt that I am not a member
This morning...5 years after I left... I received an invoice asking me to pay for copies of socialist worker!

No wonder they claim thousands of members if the disorganised, dishonest organisation still has me on its records

A mate of mine claims copies of SW are still sent to all 8 of his previous addresses - including 2 in Spain.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Apparently seventeen people have left Counterfire (they don't deserve their own thread) this week. Supposedly over 'internal problems' - tho they are usually a cover for political problems, most likely stemming from the leaderships capitualtion to Stalinism. Neil 'Time Team' Faulkner is the most prominent name to split.

Where did the Stalinist turn come from exactly? Seems bizarre that people from an org that refused to accept there was anything even slightly progressive about the USSR are now actively claiming Putin is some kind of anti-fascist anti-imperialist hero. Is it all just cos of STW or are there other reasons?

 

[belboid]

A mate of mine claims copies of SW are still sent to all 8 of his previous addresses - including 2 in Spain.

I do find that a bit hard to believe. I used to do the paper mailouts and there just weren't that many subscribers, it would have been noticed. Especially the ones in Spain.

Where did the Stalinist turn come from exactly? Seems bizarre that people from an org that refused to accept there was anything even slightly progressive about the USSR are now actively claiming Putin is some kind of anti-fascist anti-imperialist hero. Is it all just cos of STW or are there other reasons?

I cant think of anything other than STW, too much time hanging out with the last few Stalinists, the Defend Donetsk (or whatever its called) campaign must be the only new one where anyone listens to them (and Richard 'made an idiot of over Ukraine, again' Brenner)

 

[butchersapron]

The cushy RT numbers for Rees and german must ease the way a fair bit. In the same way they said that shop stewards grew away from the members by playing different roles, diff lifes, contacts, networks etc all adding up to diff interests.

 

[SpackleFrog]

The cushy RT numbers for Rees and german must ease the way a fair bit. In the same way they said that shop stewards grew away from the members by playing different roles, diff lifes, contacts, networks etc all adding up to diff interests.

It's amazing when you think about it but Rees is actually arrogant enough to think "well, if RT invite me on to speak they must be an infallible news source."

 

[imposs1904]

Apparently seventeen people have left Counterfire (they don't deserve their own thread) this week. Supposedly over 'internal problems' - tho they are usually a cover for political problems, most likely stemming from the leaderships capitualtion to Stalinism. Neil 'Time Team' Faulkner is the most prominent name to split.

Is that split a sizeable section of their membership?

 

[DotCommunist]

dunno where else to plonk this, but I hold in my hands a piece of paper- its a leaflet from Leicester put out to show that cllr's Barbera Potter and Wayne Naylor have gone TUSC. Acorns etc.

 

[belboid]

Is that split a sizeable section of their membership?

I'd have to think so. They dont exist outside of London any more, at least not in any noticeable form. I cant believe there were ever more than 100 of them, must be well under 50 now

 

[belboid]

dunno where else to plonk this, but I hold in my hands a piece of paper- its a leaflet from Leicester put out to show that cllr's Barbera Potter and Wayne Naylor have gone TUSC. Acorns etc.

they split to become Autonomists at the beginning of June. Ms P has just had a restraining order (for harassment) against her lifted.

 

[DotCommunist]

ah, I just looked at the front- its to advertise the TUSC peoples budget conference (bishop street methodist church, refreshments not specified)


bob crow is on the back.

 

[articul8]

The cushy RT numbers for Rees and german must ease the way a fair bit. In the same way they said that shop stewards grew away from the members by playing different roles, diff lifes, contacts, networks etc all adding up to diff interests.

partly that - also the orientation to the TU bureuacracy in Unite via the Andrew Murray link in StW and People's Assembly.

 

[articul8]

He's been claiming the donetsk republic is a modern day version of the Paris commune and other fantasies for a year plus now. The aus links people seem to be his main mouth piece. He's been meeting with fascists on the Putin dollar as well. (As did some workers power naifs. Well, it was actually their head honcho). In fact Putin pays him for a number of pro-putin activities.

This link apprears to suggest that Kargalitsky has been giving evidence as a prosecution witness for Putin's state - trying some of his former comrades for inciting a riot, and implicating the anarchists in the process.

 

[Nigel]

What we need is a Peshmerga of the left

Eirigi!
http://www.thejournal.ie/eirigi-member-charged-over-gun-find-695865-Nov2012/

 

[butchersapron]

Is Margi Clarke's son really a holocaust denier/nazi sympathiser?

Hmmm

Totally OT of course.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Have the Counterfire splitters issued a statement? Are they forming a new group?

 

[andysays]

Or at least a pop-up sandwich shop...

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Is Soloman one of the splitters?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Is Soloman one of the splitters?

Never doubt her judgement

 

[treelover]

Hmmm

Totally OT of course.

Margi must be mortified, her and her brother Frank Clarke have always spoken out against the fash.

the quisling's casting dispersions and slander should know better - everything hiden comes clearly into view

update maybe not, this is on his facebook page posted by Margi

 

[Karmickameleon]

If anyone is still interested, here's the first SWP pre-conference bulletin:

http://www20.zippyshare.com/v/40722985/file.html

Some gems, of course:

From Mark in Manchester: ""Since Conference last year, in Manchester we have renewed and rebuilt a collective political leadership. We have become more experienced at making political turns when needed."

From Bridget: "In January our district received an email with the subject “Birmingham: Some good news!” I opened it during a boring work meeting, excited to find out what
it was about and discovered that we had been chosen as a Socialist Worker sales
improvement area!...
The district, feeling lucky to be specially selected, took up the challenge and has put
paper sales at the heart of everything we have done this year"

 

[SpackleFrog]

If anyone is still interested, here's the first SWP pre-conference bulletin:

http://www20.zippyshare.com/v/40722985/file.html

Some gems, of course:

From Mark in Manchester: ""Since Conference last year, in Manchester we have renewed and rebuilt a collective political leadership. We have become more experienced at making political turns when needed."

From Bridget: "In January our district received an email with the subject “Birmingham: Some good news!” I opened it during a boring work meeting, excited to find out what
it was about and discovered that we had been chosen as a Socialist Worker sales
improvement area!...
The district, feeling lucky to be specially selected, took up the challenge and has put
paper sales at the heart of everything we have done this year"

"“Enough already!” I hear you cry" - Terry from Wood Green

 

[Nigel Irritable]

If anyone is still interested, here's the first SWP pre-conference bulletin:

http://www20.zippyshare.com/v/40722985/file.html

Some gems, of course:

From Mark in Manchester: ""Since Conference last year, in Manchester we have renewed and rebuilt a collective political leadership. We have become more experienced at making political turns when needed."

From Bridget: "In January our district received an email with the subject “Birmingham: Some good news!” I opened it during a boring work meeting, excited to find out what
it was about and discovered that we had been chosen as a Socialist Worker sales
improvement area!...
The district, feeling lucky to be specially selected, took up the challenge and has put
paper sales at the heart of everything we have done this year"

There's still one die-hard optimist with an article in calling for more internal democracy. Other than that, it's as boring as a pre crisis bulletin, although mercifully shorter and lacking the old confidence.