SWP expulsions and squabbles

[marty21]

spoke to my Swappie neighbour this morning - no idea what the Swappie line on Russia/Ukraine is - but her view was that she didn't know what to think, the Ukraine is full of facists, she said.

 

[butchersapron]

spoke to my Swappie neighbour this morning - no idea what the Swappie line on Russia/Ukraine is - but her view was that she didn't know what to think, the Ukraine is full of facists, she said.

This is supposed be the brain and memory of the class, able to see further and deeper than others - and that's all she can come up with? Pah! Tell her that there 47 million people in the Ukraine then ask her how many she thinks are fascists.

 

[J Ed]

Speaking of Seymour, look at the shit he is promoting here http://www.leninology.com/2014/03/dieudonne-through-prism-of-white-left.html

 

[frogwoman]

Speaking of Seymour, look at the shit he is promoting here http://www.leninology.com/2014/03/dieudonne-through-prism-of-white-left.html

someone just posted that on fb ... disgusting (i'll read it properly later)

 

[butchersapron]

Speaking of Seymour, look at the shit he is promoting here http://www.leninology.com/2014/03/dieudonne-through-prism-of-white-left.html

Yes, i read that earlier in the week- the argument is that people who don't like anti-semitism don't understand the power of a black man standing up and saying what he thinks - regardless of what he says. It's appalling - it actually does exactly what it accuses others of, it fails utterly to see the terrible damaging power of a black man standing up and endorsing anti-semitism. The CLR James quote is a terrible misuse as well.

 

[frogwoman]

Yes, i read that earlier in the week- the argument is that people who don't like anti-semitism don't understand the power of a black man standing up and saying what he thinks - regardless of what he says. It's appalling - it actually does exactly what it accuses others of, it fails utterly to see the terrible damaging power of a black man standing up and endorsing anti-semitism. The CLR James quote is a terrible misuse as well.

It's really patronising and a bit racist to assume that dieudonne just says what he says out of ignorance and stupidity. he's mates with batskin ffs.

 

[frogwoman]

whatever else can be said about Dieudonne, he's plainly not an idiot. He's obviously someone who's thought about his views and been quite successful at what he's set out to achieve. He's scum, but he's not stupid

Unlike SEYMOUR! et al (at least in this case) and their pathetic liberal squirming

 

[J Ed]

You would think that Seymour would have learnt a bit from his getting burnt by that kind of thinking but obviously not.

 

[belboid]

More quotes from 'the excellent Houria Bouteldja':

"the homosexual lifestyle does not exist in poor neighborhoods."...."I do not think universality of homosexual identity politics. I distinguish between the fact that there may actually homosexual practices in neighborhoods or elsewhere, but it does not manifest itself by identity politics claim. "

She sounds like a reactionary fool.

 

[frogwoman]

More quotes from 'the excellent Houria Bouteldja':

"the homosexual lifestyle does not exist in poor neighborhoods."...."I do not think universality of homosexual identity politics. I distinguish between the fact that there may actually homosexual practices in neighborhoods or elsewhere, but it does not manifest itself by identity politics claim. "

She sounds like a reactionary fool.

is that from seymour??

wtf is his problem?

 

[butchersapron]

More quotes from 'the excellent Houria Bouteldja':

"the homosexual lifestyle does not exist in poor neighborhoods."...."I do not think universality of homosexual identity politics. I distinguish between the fact that there may actually homosexual practices in neighborhoods or elsewhere, but it does not manifest itself by identity politics claim. "

She sounds like a reactionary fool.

Her argument is that accepting homosexuality is a form of 'sexual imperialism' imposed on indigènes and their areas. It's another example of the dieudonne style crossover between far-right politics and community/identity style defence politics. It's rancid.

 

[butchersapron]

is that from seymour??

wtf is his problem?

That's from the woman who wrote the piece he put up on his site.

 

[el-ahrairah]

Her argument is that accepting homosexuality is a form of 'sexual imperialism' imposed on indigènes and their areas. It's another example of the dieudonne style crossover between far-right politics and community/identity style defence politics. It's rancid.

good grief

 

[Balbi]

That's almost disgustingly beautiful in how it's adaptable to any cunt wanting to be a cunt.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Speaking of Seymour, look at the shit he is promoting here http://www.leninology.com/2014/03/dieudonne-through-prism-of-white-left.html

WTF is this drivel?

 

[frogwoman]

Her argument is that accepting homosexuality is a form of 'sexual imperialism' imposed on indigènes and their areas.

What???

Isn't that sort of Putin's argument? The idea that homosexuality never existed in Russia and was promoted by the west?

 

[frogwoman]

By the way that was the original far-right's view of homosexuality as well. Back in the 30s etc. Apparently homosexuality "never existed" in germany before ... but you'll never guess who introduced it

 

[Balbi]

Reminds me of the apocryphal Dagenham story, someone asked them about race tension..

"Oh no, we don't have none of that round here, 'cause we don't let them live here"

/

 

[butchersapron]

By the way that was the original far-right's view of homosexuality as well. Back in the 30s etc. Apparently homosexuality "never existed" in germany before ... but you'll never guess who introduced it

Jesse Owens?

 

[Balbi]

Christoper Isherwood, the swine

 

[frogwoman]

Jesse Owens?

some of these identity politics clowns would actually think that

 

[frogwoman]

Christoper Isherwood, the swine

 

[Bun]

By the way that was the original far-right's view of homosexuality as well. Back in the 30s etc. Apparently homosexuality "never existed" in germany before ... but you'll never guess who introduced it

is that from seymour??

wtf is his problem?

I did not think he could get lower than an SWP hack or a stint as Galloway's bag man but he has...well done, you!

 

[butchersapron]

Just quickly back to German on Ukraine/Russia for a sec - headline pieces alongside her nonsense on the counterfire site is a piece The way it starts: Libya and the disaster of humanitarian intervention - and a statement of the Russian Socialist Movement entitled No war with Ukraine! which CF preface with:

The following statement of the Russian Socialist Movement is an example of how socialists oppose the imperial ambitions of their own ruling class - one the Left in Britain should emulate

I'm looking forward to the coming piece explaining why coherency is overrated and how this is the leninist democratic centralism they wanted the SWP to adopt/return to being put into practice.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Just quickly back to German on Ukraine/Russia for a sec - headline pieces alongside her nonsense on the counterfire site is a piece The way it starts: Libya and the disaster of humanitarian intervention - and a statement of the Russian Socialist Movement entitled No war with Ukraine! which CF preface with:



I'm looking forward to the coming piece explaining why coherency is overrated and how this is the leninist democratic centralism they wanted the SWP to adopt/return to being put into practice.

A fine example of multitudinous positionism.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Apparently it's ok cause the Counterfire piece has a single sentence that says they're against all military intervention. Not clear if they're against the de facto partition of Ukraine that's taking place right now or if this is just another example of the 'contested' nationhood that LG listed as one of the 'complications' in her 10 point article.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Mark Steel speaks at RS21 event.

http://rs21.org.uk/2014/03/07/mark-steel-joins-rs21-political-weekend/

 

[treelover]

They don't hang about, where do they get the funding/resources? and of course, no contrition...

 

[belboid]

where do they get the funding/resources?

they stole it off you

 

[Nigel Irritable]

They don't hang about, where do they get the funding/resources? and of course, no contrition...

They get the "funding/resources" and the ability to do some things relatively quickly from having 100-200 relatively dedicated activists and a reasonably competent organisational culture. The only people who would find that sort of basic organisational ability surprising or impressive are fluffy soft lefts on the one hand, or anarchoids on the other, ie the least organisationally competent people there are.

Also, why would they be contrite?