Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
Shaun Wright Phillips fans might be in for a bit of confusion too.
SWP expulsions and squabbles
- Thread starter Nigel Irritable
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imposs1904
Thread Killa'
That's a low blow. Don't blame the SWP for people being confused enough to be fans of Shaun Wright-Phillips.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Christ, seriously?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
i think they must want to die
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Any idea who said it?
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
Surely Rhetta "from the standpoint of the proletariat".
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
100% reliable apparently, but, no, not yet.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I'd have expected bolshie to 'like' that post, but not you Spanky Longhorn
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Isn't it more likely an oppo member said it mockingly?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
And it was then clapped?
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Depends who was clapping surely? I'm sure all will be made clear soon enough 
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
And if it wasn't?
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Oh no we're not going to play that game!
Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
Idoom preparing a line that will allow Martin to rejoin. I know that sounds crazy, but his resignation stands in contradiction to their position.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
I know most people on this thread hate the SWP more than just about anything else in the world. But does anyone seriously believe anyone at an SWP conference would say that and mean it? Really?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
of course. It is actually true. Just not relevant, and disgusting to be clapped.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Do you not think we might need to actually know who said what, who clapped and why before we start getting our nickers in a knot? This is all a little twilight zone right now.
Because it is amazing, like really amazing if true and demonstates perfectly everything that is wrong about the SWP.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I hope not. it is possible that there was some context that makes it more reasonable, although it is difficult to think of one.
You are right that more information / verification is needed.
leyton96
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Here's the thing bolshie, as long as the current leadership are in situ and appear to have the confidence of the majority of the membership, people are quite often going to believe the worst of the SWP no matter how outlandish it sounds.
That's why your wrong headed understanding of what's at stake for Cliffism is so damaging for Cliffism in the long term.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Apology motion defeated. Not sure of the margin, ie if some middle grounders voted for it in line with the in betweeners document.
Twitter is, of course, very wound up by the "lie" quote above (accurately reported or not). Lots of frothing about making sure they can't intervene in campaigns, demonstrations etc
Twitter is, of course, very wound up by the "lie" quote above (accurately reported or not). Lots of frothing about making sure they can't intervene in campaigns, demonstrations etc
comrade spurski
Well-Known Member
Please tell me you are making a joke....tell me a group of socialists didnt clap that statement
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
So they couldn't even manage a very grudging apology. The End.
BTW the lie quote is apparently as follows: 'we aren't rape apologists unless we believe that women always tell the truth - and guess what, some women and children lie'
Lots on Facebook about this
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I've just seen an oppositionist on Facebook say that this wasn't said
Karmickameleon
Too long in exile
Bolshie, it's definitely not my impression that the majority of people on this thread hate the SWP. I think that many of us have devoted a good part of our lives to IS/SWP. If we hate anything it is the lies and cover up that the leadership has orchestrated, aided and abetted by the loyalista and Idoomers. That they can't (it seems) even manage a half-hearted and belated apology says it all to me (and I would say the wider socialist movement).
I certainly agree that we need to wait to confirm the "lie" quote, but according to Ciara S on Facebook: Two delegates who don't know each other have both told me the "women and often children" comment happened so I'm counting it as pretty verified, although both delegates were women, and since apparently they have a tendency to lie...
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
The Party's over.
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